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American Heritage ^ | February/March 2003 | Fredric Smoler, Ralph Peters

Posted on 03/04/2003 8:40:42 AM PST by Valin

A soldier-historian looks at how the world has changed in the past decade and finds that America is both hostage to history and likely to be saved by it

An Interview With Ralph Peters by Fredric Smoler

Military historians sometimes write biographies of people they call military intellectuals. Such people are interesting because they can have a vast effect on history, and also because they combine in one career two modes of life normally considered incompatible, the life of thought and the life of action.

Lt. Col., Ret., Ralph Peters is a military intellectual, and his career makes surprising reading. He enlisted in the Army as a private in 1976 and served in a mechanized infantry division. He was commissioned in 1980 as a second lieutenant in military intelligence and rose to the rank of lieutenant colonel by 1998. Along the way he took a master’s degree in international relations and published eight novels, typing out the first one while still a sergeant stationed in Germany. He also published a remarkable series of essays, many of which first appeared in Parameters, the theoretical journal of the U.S. Army War College. These essays are some of the most radical writing I have ever read on the recent revolution in military affairs. They began appearing at the start of the last decade, they are beautifully written and intellectually exciting, and they have proved startlingly (and sometimes grimly) prescient.

This prodigious intellectual and literary output began while he was pursuing a dramatic and varied set of military careers. Some of his assignments informed his novels: Red Army, a cult classic within the Army before the fall of the Soviet Union, describes a successful Soviet breakthrough on NATO’s central front and was inspired by a stint as chief intelligence analyst for the 1st Armored Division, as well as by a job as the chief of the Intelligence Production Section for III Corps. Other books grew out of assignments in Bolivia, Peru, Colombia, Venezuela, and Panama. Some are set in the wreckage of the Soviet Union, in its successor states, and in Central Asia, all places where Peters has spent a great deal of time. These novels share a theme with many of his essays on strategy and international relations, the idea that a world ended between 1989 and 1991. Our new situation is chaotic, its politics were generally unforeseen, it is extremely dangerous, and in many ways it is extremely sad. However, the United States faces its new threats with historically unparalleled strengths. Over the course of his career, Peters served in or visited more than 50 countries, on every continent save Antarctica, and the experience has made him a patriot and an optimist.

In 1999 Peters retired from the Army to write full-time, and soon produced, beginning with Faded Coat of Blue, a series of highly acclaimed Civil War novels under the pen name Owen Parry. I interviewed Lieutenant Colonel Peters in his house in northern Virginia, surrounded by Russian and German books—he is at least trilingual—and a wonderful collection of contemporary Russian paintings. We spoke about his essays, two volumes of which have been collected and published—Beyond Terror: Strategy in a Changing World and Fighting for the Future: Will America Triumph?—and about what history, both recent and ancient, tells us of the challenges and possibilities America faces around the globe.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanheritage.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: clashofcivilizatio; history
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1 posted on 03/04/2003 8:40:43 AM PST by Valin
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To: Valin
Bump for later.
2 posted on 03/04/2003 8:49:02 AM PST by El Sordo (Once again, the slow kid in the class....)
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To: Valin
Peters BTTT
3 posted on 03/04/2003 8:55:57 AM PST by MattinNJ
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To: Sparta; weikel
Thought you guys might find this interesting. I have read both of the books mentioned in the article and they were very good.
4 posted on 03/04/2003 8:57:24 AM PST by MattinNJ
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To: Valin
In Islam the historical symmetry is chilling. Within 10 years of Gutenberg’s invention of movable type, a prince, astronomer, mathematician, and poet, Ulugh Beg of MI>Samarqand, built a great observatory. He was a genius, their Galileo, but the mullahs murdered him, and I take that moment as the point at which it all started calcifying. There are myriad factors in the Islamic decline, but the decline itself has been irreversible. Muslims never turn it around; they never have their reformation that breaks down the one true path. You’re either Sunni or Shiah, or perhaps a Sufi offshoot cult. And the reason Indonesia has a chance is that it’s never signed up for one path.

Bingo.

5 posted on 03/04/2003 9:18:55 AM PST by TADSLOS (Gunner, Target!)
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To: Valin
Today it should be obvious that if the problem is Saddam, the solution isn’t targeting the Iraqi people, who are suffering far worse than we are. The solution is targeting Saddam and his clique. Again, you have the limits of inherited language. Assassination is a loaded word, and we don’t have a better one. What we’re starting to have is the technology to leap over intervening armies and go after the sponsors. Wouldn’t that be far more moral than plowing our way through the conscripts who don’t want to be there in the first place?

Amen.

6 posted on 03/04/2003 9:21:46 AM PST by TADSLOS (Gunner, Target!)
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To: Valin
There are many ways you can divide the world, but I think one of the more useful ways is between factualizing societies and mythologizing societies.

Interesting point, here.

Good post.

7 posted on 03/04/2003 9:27:32 AM PST by expatpat
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To: Valin
BUMP
8 posted on 03/04/2003 9:30:18 AM PST by mcrommert (Whatever Happened to Compassionate Conservatism?????)
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To: TADSLOS
I recall reading here and on other site that there is a "conversation" starting in the Islamic world. Asking themselves the question "what's wrong with us? If we are on the true path to God why are we so backward and poor?"

They must make a choice..and fairly soon as to weather they want to remain in the 12th century or join the rest of the world in the XXIst. Now I grant you these voices are few and far between, and you have to look to find them but they are there. And this gives me a little hope.
9 posted on 03/04/2003 9:30:43 AM PST by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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To: MattinNJ

After the Battle of Mogadishu, which we won overwhelmingly, we made things worse by cutting and running. The failure of nerve of the Clinton administration encouraged our enemies to believe that whenever you kill a few Americans, they’ll run away. Osama bin Laden talked a lot about Somalia.

Bill Clinton's legacy.

10 posted on 03/04/2003 9:40:42 AM PST by Sparta (ANSWER, the new Communist conspiracy for the twenty-first century)
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To: MattinNJ
I've read his book War in 2020 I enjoyed it. I might want to give Red Army another look.
11 posted on 03/04/2003 9:41:43 AM PST by Sparta (ANSWER, the new Communist conspiracy for the twenty-first century)
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To: Valin
Excellent post.
12 posted on 03/04/2003 9:41:58 AM PST by Sparta (ANSWER, the new Communist conspiracy for the twenty-first century)
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To: Matthew James; river rat; wardaddy; Poohbah; SLB; harpseal; Squantos; Sabertooth; piasa; ...
A mind worth studying ping.
13 posted on 03/04/2003 9:45:14 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Sparta
Bill Clinton's legacy.

Amazing how we have to keep cleaning up after liberals. Even Peters says that we are dealing with Wilson's legacy.

I was watching a special about Black Hawk Down on the history channel. Apparently, when the Rangers got back they were ready to go back out in force and level the city block by block. Clinton nixed it-Osama thought we had no balls and came after us. The filmakers of Black Hawk Down laid 9-11 directly at Clinton's feet but apparenty Hollywood edited that part out.

I could go on and on-during the bay of pigs Castro held his forces back because he was afraid of the U.S carrier parked off the coast. When it became apparent that we were going to abandon the Cuban freedom fighters, Castro wiped them out. The Admiral on the carrier was literally crying and begging with JFK for "just one plane"-JFK nixed it and the Cubans have lived in misery ever since.

Let's hope GW gets around to Chavez eventually.

14 posted on 03/04/2003 9:57:28 AM PST by MattinNJ
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To: MattinNJ
It DOES beg a question I've been asking for a while now. When was the last time the left was correct about any of the big questions of our time? If it's happened in the last 40 years I missed it.
Now if this is true (as I believe, but I'm willing to admit I missed one) The next question is Why Should any reasonable intelligent person listen to them or believe anything they say?
/retorical question
15 posted on 03/04/2003 10:06:20 AM PST by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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To: MattinNJ

Let's hope GW gets around to Chavez eventually.

I hope so too, but I'm not counting on it.

16 posted on 03/04/2003 10:09:50 AM PST by Sparta (ANSWER, the new Communist conspiracy for the twenty-first century)
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To: Travis McGee; Valin
I too was taken at the time with the text "Red Army".....this guy does have some insight that is valid. Others that are thought provoking to say the least. I'll have to add some of his work to my read list.

Thanks for the thread Valin....

Ya'll Stay Safe !

17 posted on 03/04/2003 10:10:04 AM PST by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: Valin
...I missed it.

I think we all missed it. It never ceases to amaze me how very bright people can be liberals. If I had to guess, I would say it is because they are more interested in how legislation sounds rather than in the results it produces. For example, despite every intellectually honest economist saying that tax cuts are good for the economy, a simple "Tax cuts just benefits the rich" causes liberals to gnash their teeth.

18 posted on 03/04/2003 10:58:19 AM PST by MattinNJ
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To: Valin
I think the Civil Rights Movement is a classic example of society needing change for the sake of justice and the government having to lead the way.

Affirmative action is a sad and politically correct byproduct, but those who 40 years ago said it was none of gov't's business were wrong.

By the same token, Peters in this interview stoutly affirms that the movement for women's rights and equality, much of which was sustained by government, is the one modern factor that most elevates our society over the 12th century barbarism of the Islamic world. Gov't sustenance of the idea of equality of women would be another area where so called liberal ideas have been beneficial.

Like affirmative action there have been extravagances, abortion being the most egregious, that should not have been part of the original concept, but the concept was right and just, and those who stood against it were wrong. After all without civil and women's right we would be unlikely to have the talent of Condaleeza Rice.

19 posted on 03/04/2003 11:23:21 AM PST by xkaydet65
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To: Travis McGee
"There are many ways you can divide the world, but I think one of the more useful ways is between factualizing societies and mythologizing societies."

"Listen to our enemies’ rhetoric."

"They’re in love with their myths of themselves, both old myths and relatively recent ones, and they’re myths of self-justification."

In short....they're ignorantly and dangerously delusional....

A unique insight -- I haven't heard before...

Does France, Germany, much of the Arab world and North Korea come to mind?

We have much work ahead of us...

Semper Fi

20 posted on 03/04/2003 1:17:20 PM PST by river rat (War works.....It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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