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Ohio School Suspends 1st-Grader For Having Plastic Knife
WLWT Eyewitness News ^ | 3/8/03 | WLWT Eyewitness News

Posted on 03/08/2003 2:15:56 AM PST by visagoth

Edited on 05/07/2004 8:26:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A school board near Youngstown, Ohio, is debating whether a 6-year-old should be suspended from school for taking a plastic knife from his school cafeteria.

Kevin Long was suspended for doing just that.

And, he could even face expulsion, WLWT Eyewitness News 5 reported Friday.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: banglist; culturewar; educationnews; knife; ohio; plastic; school; tolerance; zero
I have the feeling this silly school will have to remove all plastic utensils, and the kids will be left with finger jello and potato chips for lunch.

I suspect pencil sharpeners will then need to go - because a pointy pencil is also a very nice weapon. And then we take away (insert any other potential object used for poking someone here)....

Zero-tolerance run amok.

1 posted on 03/08/2003 2:15:56 AM PST by visagoth
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To: visagoth
I hope they shame these bad actors via a law suit. Only downside is the idiot school admins are not fired and taxpayers pay the damages in the lawsuit.
2 posted on 03/08/2003 2:18:33 AM PST by dennisw ( http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: visagoth
No pencils, no tests. No tests, no grades. No grades, no failures. No failures, everybody passes. Everybody passes, nobody is unhappy. Who cares if nobody can read? The TV will tell them everything they need to know.
3 posted on 03/08/2003 2:28:17 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Never forget: CLINTON PARDONED TERRORISTS)
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To: visagoth
This is just plain silly. What does the school do? Reuse the plastic knives?

Sheesh the knife would have gone into the trash can anyway. This situation shows that common sense has been thrown out of our society.

4 posted on 03/08/2003 2:31:15 AM PST by Dane
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To: visagoth
Close down the public schools, salt the ground, then put
pepper on the administrators.
5 posted on 03/08/2003 2:33:29 AM PST by Trickyguy
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To: visagoth
This is getting just a BIT out of hand!! I have a 6 yr old grandson, he'd be terrified from a situation like this. What an awful thing to put a 6 yr. old thru.
6 posted on 03/08/2003 2:37:56 AM PST by blondee123 (WAR: Saddams choice, not ours!)
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To: blondee123
Ayn Rand predicted this: "Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We *want* them broken. You'd better get it straight. That it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted and you create a nation of law-breakers and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with." - -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged , Ch. III, "White Blackmail".
7 posted on 03/08/2003 2:44:10 AM PST by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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To: Wilhelm Tell
That is the system we live in. The only thing Ayn Rand got wrong was that no character on the left would ever come out and say anything as honest as this.

They will never admit it is about power. It will always be "for the children."

8 posted on 03/08/2003 2:56:49 AM PST by Montfort
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To: Wilhelm Tell
Amen.

The great thing is, in the legal system they've promulgated, we can and will win by suing the individuals who 'infringe on our childrens' innocence.' I think that saying the school principal, teacher, board, cafeteria workers, and superintendent are all personally going to be held liable, just as if they had supplied drugs or a gun to this kid. Because they DID know that there was a supply where the kid could this knife, and they DID know it was illegal for him to have it in school, or they wouldn't have enforced the rule!

If the kid had brought a gun to campus the school would be making noise all over the media about where he got it and how it's their fault, not the school's, that the school is 'just doing its job.' This time, it's back in the laps of the jackasses who started the whole thing.
9 posted on 03/08/2003 3:11:33 AM PST by LibertarianInExile (Smoke, smoke, smoke that cigarette...It'll help solve the Social Security problem.)
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To: Trickyguy
Close down the public schools, salt the ground, then put pepper on the administrators.

I like the way you think.

10 posted on 03/08/2003 3:17:41 AM PST by sd-joe
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To: visagoth
The school's administrators should be suspended for having plastic brains.
11 posted on 03/08/2003 3:19:38 AM PST by Jim Ralls
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To: visagoth
Can't these people get a grip?
12 posted on 03/08/2003 3:34:29 AM PST by libertylover (Republican, because I care.)
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To: visagoth
Hey Visagoth, you'll like this obituary...

Today we mourn the passing of an old friend, Common Sense. Common Sense
lived a long life, but died in the United States from heart failure early
in the new millennium.

No one really knows how old he was, since his birth records were lost
long ago in bureaucratic red tape. He selflessly devoted his life to
service in schools, hospitals, homes, and factories, helping folks get
jobs done without fanfare and foolishness.

For decades, petty rules, silly laws, and frivolous lawsuits held no
power over Common Sense. He was credited with cultivating such valued
lessons as to know when to come in out of the rain, why the early bird
gets the worm, and that life isn't always fair.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more
than you earn), reliable parenting strategies (the adults are in charge,
not the kids), and it's okay to come in second. A veteran of the
Industrial Revolution, the Great Depression, and the Technological
Revolution, Common Sense survived cultural and educational trends
including body piercing, whole language, and "new math." But his health
declined when he became infected with the
"If-it-only-helps-one-person-it's-worth-it" virus.

In recent decades his waning strength proved no match for the ravages of
well intentioned but overbearing regulations. He watched in pain as good
people became ruled by self-seeking lawyers. His health rapidly
deteriorated when schools endlessly implemented zero tolerance policies.

Reports of a six-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing
a classmate, a teen suspended for taking a swig of mouthwash after lunch,
and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student only worsened his
condition. It declined even further when schools had to get parental
consent to administer aspirin to a student but could not inform the
parent when a female student was pregnant or wanted an abortion.

Common Sense lost his will to live as the Ten Commandments became
contraband, churches became businesses, criminals received better
treatment than victims, and federal judges stuck their noses in
everything from the Boy Scouts to professional sports. When an
individual, too stupid to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot*,
was awarded a huge settlement, Common Sense threw in the towel. As the
end neared, Common Sense drifted in and out of logic but was kept
informed of developments regarding questionable regulations such as those
for low flow toilets, rocking chairs, stepladders and auto emissions.

Common Sense finally succumbed when, while the United States was fighting
a war on terrorism, a federal judge declared the Pledge of Allegiance to
be unconstitutional.
Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust; his
wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason. He
is survived by two stepsiblings: My Rights, and Ima Whiner.

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.
...Source Unknown


13 posted on 03/08/2003 3:54:48 AM PST by chgomac
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To: visagoth
And, if the school insists on upholding the suspension, his parents reportedly will seek criminal charges against the school for supplying weapons to children.

Good for the parents! Send the teachers to jail for this kind of crap.

15 posted on 03/08/2003 4:50:14 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: visagoth
My first grader son just splained it to me. No ones uses the plastic knives because they are useless. So anyone who had one must be up to no good.
16 posted on 03/08/2003 5:02:10 AM PST by AppyPappy (Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris.)
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To: visagoth
More nonsense from the government schools.

I hope the parents sue the heck out of the school...and can get criminal charges on the school employees who supplied the plastic knife

Our public schools are a nightmare. If they would concentrate on teaching kids...instead of indoctrinating them in Homocentrism and anti-gun hysteria.....our kids would be better educated
17 posted on 03/08/2003 5:06:25 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Its Not Hip To Be Janeane Garofolo)
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To: visagoth
My son came home this week and told me a boy had been expelled from his elementary school. The crime? Well, he brought a stick from home, one that was kind of shaped like a gun and he said bang, bang. So, he is permantly kicked out of school for having a piece of wood, and saying something that most of us grew up with. Hey, in fact TOY STORY, repopularized that way. How I am, as a mother, supposed to warn my kids sufficiently of every idiotic item they shouldn't bring or thing they shouldn't say at school?
18 posted on 03/08/2003 5:16:46 AM PST by UnsinkableMollyBrown
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To: UnsinkableMollyBrown
You should try and get your son out of there asap. It could happen to him. I hope the boy who was permanently expelled can go to a private school or homeschool. He would be much better off.

Remember: Too many stupid (and evil) people have too much power to do too much damage to kids today.

19 posted on 03/08/2003 5:27:19 AM PST by ladylib
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To: visagoth
Stupidity will always be with us. Our middle school cafeterias provide plastic knives for students. We haven't had any students report being menaced or injured with one, either.
20 posted on 03/08/2003 5:43:03 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: visagoth
All I know is the Greatest Generation of Americans defeated the Nazis and the Japanese Warlords and rebuilt the world after the war was won without all this PC bullshit.

And they did it with flags flying and patriotism intact.

There is a strong lesson there.
21 posted on 03/08/2003 5:47:07 AM PST by UncleSamUSA (the land of the free and the home of the brave)
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To: visagoth
And, if the school insists on upholding the suspension, his parents reportedly will seek criminal charges against the school for supplying weapons to children.

This is great!

22 posted on 03/08/2003 5:47:40 AM PST by HighWheeler
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To: ladylib
I have six kids, five are in school, one is homeschooled. I fill their heads with truth and knowledge about the way things really are. I am there to support them, and temporarily provide homeschooling to them it it gets too "tough."

However, I have made a carefully thought out decision to keep them in school, because only school will teach them how to resist peer pressure and provide a training ground in discerning truth from error. And, unfortunately, I think that pressure to conform to popular ideas is going to greatly increase. I'm trying to provide my children the wherewithall to overcome the thought police. I want my children to be prepared for these incredible attempts at group think, keeping them hidden at home will not give them the skills to survive at 18.

23 posted on 03/08/2003 5:50:12 AM PST by UnsinkableMollyBrown
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Send the teachers to jail for this kind of crap.
Earl, your brains (or lack thereof) are showing. It's the district/superintendent/princiapls who made and allow the enforcement of this little rule about plastic knives, not the teachers. It's the administrators who decide the punishment for the violation of the rules. I know, I know-- it's just so easy and popular to blame everything on teachers [some of who deserve it].
24 posted on 03/08/2003 5:52:06 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: Clara Lou
Ya.....

Vee vere yust followink orders!

--The Teachers
25 posted on 03/08/2003 5:54:44 AM PST by Elsie (The ONLY hope you have is Jesus!)
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To: Elsie
I support Clara Lou on this one. The administrators are the ones to can. You kill a snake by cutting off its head. School administrators are the ones to blame for these moronic zero tolerance policies.
26 posted on 03/08/2003 5:59:56 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Clara Lou
You are correct. I did not mean the 'teachers.'

I meant the 'educators' [in general], which in this case means 'the administrators, school board members, etc.'
27 posted on 03/08/2003 6:01:27 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: dennisw
idiot school administrators
I could not agree with you more. I have worked under 5 superintendents, and I can say that exactly 1 of those 5 appeared to have students' welfare first and foremost in mind. Of course, the fine school board of that town sacked him after only two years. The other 4 had or have only their personal agendas, their personal well-being, and their advancement and/or retirement as their guiding light. It's sickening.
I might add that it very difficult to find people who are truly capable of serving on a school board. Many who are on the school board are only there while they have children in high school and can intimidate teachers into giving grades and bowing to their preferences.
28 posted on 03/08/2003 6:02:25 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: visagoth
And, if the school insists on upholding the suspension, his parents reportedly will seek criminal charges against the school for supplying weapons to children.

The parents should go forward regardless of the suspension or lack of. It will be a great service of exposing this B.S. and may save more kids from having to deal with this from the totalitarian educraps.

29 posted on 03/08/2003 6:10:26 AM PST by StriperSniper (Frogs are for gigging)
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To: visagoth
How can a school suspend a student for having a weapon when they themselves issued the said 'weapon'.

This is plain dumb.
30 posted on 03/08/2003 6:14:14 AM PST by Happygal
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To: Clara Lou
They will mold boys into men who cannot defend their women, their families, their nation, themselves. A pox on these über PC school administrators!
31 posted on 03/08/2003 6:25:22 AM PST by dennisw ( http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: visagoth
"And, if the school insists on upholding the suspension, his parents reportedly will seek criminal charges against the school for supplying weapons to children."

I can only pray that this would happen. Not that I want to see lawyers getting more work, but the absolute idiocy of this needs to be aired in the most public way possible. This kid is only 6 years old, for cyring out loud!! He doesn't know know what zero tolerance is nor should he even have to care at that age. I am so glad that we homeshcool!

32 posted on 03/08/2003 6:55:06 AM PST by Pablo64 ("But still I fear and still dare not laugh at the the Madman.")
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To: Pablo64
Remember the case of the little boy (about 6) who was naked and was in his window in full view of the other kids on the school bus?

The idiot school administrators tried to make him sign a paper admitting to sexual harrassment.

These people are flaming you-know-what's. They should be made a laughingstock of and run out of town.
33 posted on 03/08/2003 8:17:29 AM PST by ladylib
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To: visagoth
Zero Intelligence + Zero Common Sense = Zero Tolerance

You must remember the #1 job of any School administrator is to not get sued. And the #2 job is if you get sued make sure your "proccesses and policies are such that the payout is lessened.

That's why right behind liberals running the education system, trial lawyers are a terrible threat to America's values and prosperity.

34 posted on 03/08/2003 2:22:46 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: dennisw
You know, that might change over the next few years, especially if we go to war.

The public might not want to put up with wimpy,anti-gun, "don't defend yourself in a fight" school administrators. School administrators might find out that their post-Columbine thinking will be very much out of style.

35 posted on 03/08/2003 3:25:13 PM PST by ladylib
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To: ladylib
I hadn't heard about that case. I would have turned the tables and charged all the other kids with being Peeping Toms. (Hey, if their going to be ridiculous, why don't we all play along?)
36 posted on 03/09/2003 6:42:54 AM PST by Pablo64 ("But still I fear and still dare not laugh at the the Madman.")
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To: Pablo64
their = they're

(Must...have...more...coffee...!)
37 posted on 03/09/2003 6:46:46 AM PST by Pablo64 ("But still I fear and still dare not laugh at the the Madman.")
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To: Dane
In my son's school, they do indeed wash the plastic utensils and reuse them.
38 posted on 03/09/2003 6:58:51 AM PST by I_dmc
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To: visagoth
I suspect pencil sharpeners will then need to go - because a pointy pencil is also a very nice weapon. And then we take away (insert any other potential object used for poking someone here)....

Don't laugh, I knew someone years ago that used a pencil in a school fight. It is an effective weapon. Then again, when I was training in Martial Arts ten years ago, I learned that anything can be used as a weapon. Glass frames, newspapers, keys, ect..

39 posted on 03/09/2003 7:07:43 AM PST by John123
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