COMING POLICE STATE

Fiedor Report On the News #305 ^ | 3-9-03 | Ron Paul

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[NOTE: This text was first published in the March 7, 1997 newsletter. It was an important message in 1997, but seems even more important today.]

Last week we gave Rep. Ron Paul's toll-free Legislative Update number (1-888-322-1414) and suggested that readers listen to his message "The Coming Police State." We were told by a lot of people that they missed it.

Originally, that message was part of a one hour speech Rep. Paul made on the floor of the House. And, thanks to Jeff in Michigan, we have the complete text. Below is the shortened version of Rep. Paul's speech recorded as the "Legislative Update:"

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Centralizing power and consistently expanding the role of the Government requires an army of bureaucrats and a taxing authority upon which a police state thrives. There are over 100 laws on the books permitting private property seizure without due process of law. We have made it easy to seize any property by absurdly claiming the property itself committed the crime. The RICO mentality relating to law enforcement permits even the casual bystander to suffer severely from the police state mentality.

The drug war hysteria and the war on gun ownership started by Roosevelt in 1934 have expanded Federal police power to the point that more than 10 percent of all of our police are Federal. The Constitution names but three Federal crimes, so where is the justification? Talk about swarms of officers to harass our people and eat out their substance. We have hovering over us daily the Federal police from the EPA, OSHA, FBI, CIA, DEA, EEOC, ADA, F&WL, INS, BATF, and worst of all, the IRS. Even criticizing the IRS makes me cringe that it might precipitate an audit. It seems that all administrations, to some degree, used the power of the agencies to reward or punish financial backers or political enemies.

So much [of] that had its origin in the 1930's, it was then that the FBI's role changed from friendly investigator helping local authorities to that of national police force.

We live in an age where the fear of an IRS registered letter bearing news of an audit surpasses the fear of a street mugging. The police are supposed to be our friend and the Federal Government the guarantor of our liberties. Ask the blacks in the inner city of Los Angeles if they trust the police and revere the FBI and the CIA. We should not have to cringe when a Federal agent appears at the door of our business. We should not even see them there.

A Congress sworn to uphold the Constitution ought to be protecting our right to our property, not confiscating it. Congress ought to protect our right to own a weapon of self-defense, not systematically and viciously attacking that right.

Congress ought to guarantee all voluntary association, not regulate and dictate every economic transaction. We should not allow Congress to give credence to inane politically correct rules generated by egalitarian misfits. Setting quotas ought to insult each of us.

We need no more centralized police efforts. We need no more wiretaps that have become epidemic in this last decade. We have had enough Wacos and Ruby Ridges.

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<http://www.house.gov/paul>

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[tpaine]

Glowering? - Get real, and read what I posted to Luis.
-- 'Bait' in the backroom, where your silly attempts at humor can be answered in kind.

[Kevin Curry]

He talks? That's it?

Anything else?

[Kevin Curry]

If humans are so depraved, how is it that the species still exists.

Governments exist at all levels: family, tribe, village, city, state, and nation. Laws are promulgated and enforced in one fashion or another.

[mysterio]

Actually, it seems more like Republicans are leading us to totalitarianism quite effectively. I haven't noticed any libertarians assaulting the Constitution lately.

[Kevin Curry]

Libertarians are parasites. They require a healthy host such as the "fascist" United States to sustain them.

[Republicanus_Tyrannus]

Okay, now this is really getting odd and infuriating.

A single post does not require this level of offense.

I suggest you chill out before you start telling us what kind of responses are "allowed" to threads. Your posts are close - very close - to trolling.

I have offered no insult. I have done nothing contrary to the Free Republic rules. I have merely interjected a slightly humorous response. That in no way is a flame.

You're losing sight of what this forum is - we DO get to disagree, ya know. If you don't like being ribbed, I suggest you post in the "No Dissent Or Humor Allowed" forums - but Alas! There are none according to FORUM RULES.

[tpaine]

In the same way that collectivism united with industrial-revolution type technology to create all the atrocities of the 20th Century (the Holocaust, etc.), libertarian personalism will unite with individualizing scale-economic policies (think biotechnology) to create new kinds of horrors.


-- Mind boggling idiocy to claim "libertarian personalism?" will create "horrors?"....
Explain, please, -- we need more humor here.

[HumanaeVitae]

1. the initiation of force and fraud are widely agreed upon by libertarians and most others as immoral- you know that, you've been around here long enough.

Hoo, boyski. Now you've done it.

Let me ask you a question, artisan. Do you have a right to own a nuclear weapon?

[tpaine]

My my, --- where's that humor now?
- See why "take it to the backroom" is such good advice?

[tpaine]

Your old 'college try' is end to end straw men - points Paul never made in his article.
Try again, without cheating.

[Republicanus_Tyrannus]

Ah.
Indeed trolling.

I see.

/ignore tpaine

[tpaine]

Refute Pauls article kevin, - or, - take your inane, baiting asides to the back room. - It's the FR way.

[Republicanus_Tyrannus]

One last response.

Straw men? Nope. See, the mention of COMING POLICE STATE is indeed here in this article. I suggest doing a CTRL-F and typing in POLICE STATE.

See, it's sort of the TITLE OF THE ARTICLE. That's how I knew what to knock down. POLICE STATE. COMING. From an article SIX years old. It's near the top, if you get lost.

You're welcome. bye bye

[tpaine]

Baiting.

Ignore Republicanus_Tyrannus

[Kevin Curry]

Refute Ron Paul's hot air, you mean?

Turn on a fan.

[HumanaeVitae]

No response. The nuclear weapon reductio ad absurdum usually does it. Good thing I didn't have to pull out the reductio ad nauseum, where I get to ask if voluntary cannibalism is O.K. with libertarians (After people die, can they sell their bodies to restaurants? Hey, if it's voluntary, and no one's getting hurt...)

[tpaine]

Bye bye.

And by the way, - while you admitted 'knocking down' the title.....
--- All your straw men applied to statements Paul ~never~ made.

[Kevin Curry]

They usually dodge the personal nuke question by pleading its impracticability.

[artisan001]

"Governments exist at all levels: family, tribe, village, city, state, and nation. Laws are promulgated and enforced in one fashion or another."

Yes, I agree.
I see the heirarchy as:
1. Individual (self control, personal responsibility)
2. Family
3. Community
4. State/Nation

The problem arises when a centralized government usurps the authority of all the others.

The point I was trying to make was that if human nature were as corrupt and lawless as Human Vitae seems to claim, it is a wonder that there is any order at all.

[Roscoe]

Poor Libertarians. Slaves to the trough.