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To: HumanaeVitae
No,
Because It can not be used responsibly in self defence by an individual without initiating force against others caught in the way.

It is fine by my standards to use force to respond to force initiated by another individial.
It must be directed only at that individual.

61 posted on 03/08/2003 12:52:44 PM PST by artisan001
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To: artisan001
It must be directed only at that individual.

So speed limits should only apply to people that have actually run into you? Fascinationg.

63 posted on 03/08/2003 12:55:52 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: artisan001
Wait a minute. I could find libertarians that would agree that the right to self-defense means that you have the right to have a nuclear weapon. So, you're limiting their liberty.

How about my second point? I call this the "Gunga Diner" example. We all know that medical schools give money to winos to have them sign a release stating that after they die, the med schools can use their cadavers for medical training. Right? Ok, now your standard for what government can and cannot do is the "non-initiation of force", right? And you support the right to freely contract, as long as a person is at an "age of reason", right?

So, what if there's a group of people that wants to eat humans after they die a natural death? Let's say I start a restaurant--the Gunga Diner--that voluntarily contracts with terminally ill people to sell their bodies (for--I don't know, $500 a pop?) for food after they die. Ok? Now, you as a libertarian should have no problem with this, right? No violence was initiated against the people agreeing (they weren't killed; they died of natural causes), and they freely contracted of their own free will. Why is this not okay? Or is it? Even more disgusting example--why shouldn't parents have the right to sell their deceased children to said diner? Their children are their "property", aren't they?

I hate to be so disgusting, but sometimes it's necessary.

77 posted on 03/08/2003 1:27:36 PM PST by HumanaeVitae
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