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To: muawiyah
Hey, what do you mean "contain" Iraq? That's something we haven't been able to do at all. First of all, their Eastern border is with Iran and that's not exactly where we have any friends these days.

Oh, I dunno, the fact that we have been bombing the hell out of them for the past 12 years (I know, I know, why Clinton and Bush haven't bombed their WMD facilities even though they apparently knew about them, and chose to bomb their air defenses, etc. is beyond me), and Iraq hasn't moved on other countries, that would indicate to me that we have contained quite a bit.

Now, for the critical part - last week you guys were all saying that we were going into Iraq to "control the oil", or simply for the "oil" itself!

I didn't say it was about oil. You just killed whatever credibility you might have had.

It's not about terrorism, or we'd be looking at the palestinians, the Iranians, a lot of Pakistanis, Chechneyans, and the Saudis. I don't know what it's about. Bush has not done a good job of "selling" this war so to speak. All of the violations that are being used as cause to go after Iraq existed long before 9/11. Why Bush waited around, why Clinton ignored it (except when he got involved in some scandal, and then the bombs would drop) is beyond me.

For a while I honestly believed that as soon as they tried to link Iraq to 9/11 (and the links they cited fell apart), when it was pointing to Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia, that they were using Iraq as their scapegoat because they failed to kill/capture OBL and his cronies. They are finally capturing them now.

Has it all been some sort of a codeword thing for the last couple of months where "oil" meant "Jews"

I doubt it's some kind of codeword for "Jews" as Israel can protect themselves quite nicely. They've been left alone on a national scale for quite some time now, now that their neighbors know they can turn their capitals into a sheet of glass. Israel's only serious problem is the palestinians, and a lot of that is coming from money provided by the Saudis.

Hope Saddam paid you well!

LMAO. You can't come up with a good response so you attack me, lol. Go learn some debating skills. Mine aren't the best I'll admit, but give me a break, I could come up with a better personal attack than that. By the way, I hope your willing to take in survivors if that non-threat North Korea starts lobbing missiles our way.

For your future reference, my belief on the whole oil thing and the middle east - I believe that outside of North Korea and China, the biggest threat this country faces has to do with our being tied to and reliant upon middle eastern oil. We need to get out of the middle east, we need to stop buying their oil. I don't care if we have to go in and clean up Nigeria, I don't care if we have to cut deals with the Russians, Mexicans, and Venezuelans, I don't care if we have to open up more of Alaska and that area. As long as we have got one soldier there who's not guarding an embassy, as long as we are buying one gallon of oil from the middle east, as long as we keep sending boatloads money to Israel, we are going to have problems.

51 posted on 03/08/2003 3:18:20 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr
And you did it again - speaking of a credibility problem, you guys who want to "blame it on the Jews" could probably come up with some fine arguments on just about any topic anyone could name, but you'd always end it with ascribing all the problems to "the Jews".
59 posted on 03/08/2003 5:45:18 PM PST by muawiyah
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