[VRWC_minion]

Nothing about unalienable property rights is there ? Without the state there is no such thing as a property right. They only exist because the state creates them.

Granted the people created the state, but once they did the state is sovereign.

[Protagoras]

that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness --

[Fraulein]

Without the state there is no such thing as a property right. They only exist because the state creates them...Granted the people created the state, but once they did the state is sovereign.

Wow, spoken like a true socialist.

[Dianna]

Nothing about unalienable property rights is there ? Without the state there is no such thing as a property right. They only exist because the state creates them. Granted the people created the state, but once they did the state is sovereign.

Much of our understanding of "rights" comes from the thinking of John Locke. The very first "property" rights we have is to our own body and the work it produces. From there, we can assume that we must have to right to own the things we buy with the labor our body produces, and so on and so on.

Our rights come from God because we are human. The government ONLY exists to safeguard our rights. For more information you can read Locke's Second Treatise on Civil Government. It's a fairly short book and explains these issues very well.