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RICK SANTORUM VS. HILLARY CLINTON REGARDING PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION LIVE NOW!!!
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Posted on 03/12/2003 11:58:16 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat

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To: Aquinasfan
Santorum: "This procedure is NEVER medically necessary. OB's have not been able to come up with a case were abortion was medically necessary. SEPARATION--possibly involving a live birth--can be necessary--but SEPARATION is not the same as ABORTION!"
41 posted on 03/12/2003 12:10:40 PM PST by hispanarepublicana (successful, educated unauthentic latina--in Patrick Leahy's eyes, at least)
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To: to the core
Maybe someone needs to try again...and bash her brain until she actually makes some sense (as if that is at all possible)
42 posted on 03/12/2003 12:10:51 PM PST by mattdono
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To: hellinahandcart
My main problem with her argument is that it's not a "personal choice," but a barbaric practice.

But since I've chosen another senator to adopt in her place, I don't give a rat's ass about her any more. I still have to replace Putzhead, but he's not as loathsome as the battle-ax in the crusty pantsuit.

43 posted on 03/12/2003 12:10:51 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (Clinton Legacy = 16-acre hole in the ground in lower Manhattan)
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To: Dahoser
She played the "I'm a delicate girl" card with Lazio. Yes, it was disgusting. This is how she combats attacks on her by men. And of course, the NY DEM media tops it off.
44 posted on 03/12/2003 12:10:53 PM PST by Sacajaweau (Hillary: Constitutional Scholar! NOT)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Hitlery: "My hope is that abortion becomes rare. During the 1990s, abortion was more rare.

So in addition to everything else that the RATS blame on W, they're claiming abortions are up? If it's true, would you put it past the hate life crowd to get pregnant just to have abortions so they can inflate the numbers and give Mrs. "Bill and I are thinking of adopting a child...during an election campaign" the ability to make this claim?

45 posted on 03/12/2003 12:11:37 PM PST by Dahoser (Will the NY Senate delegation please report to Iraq for human shield deployment? Thank you!)
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To: hellinahandcart
When does stabbing a baby's neck and sucking his little brains out save the life of the mother anyway? If they baby is all the way here except for the head, why not let the little guy or girl live?
46 posted on 03/12/2003 12:11:42 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: hispanarepublicana
Santorum to Harkin: "If you want your daughter to go to the hospital and have the best procedure possible, it won't be partial birth abortion, because hospitals don't do it. It's outside the standard of care."
47 posted on 03/12/2003 12:12:22 PM PST by hispanarepublicana (successful, educated unauthentic latina--in Patrick Leahy's eyes, at least)
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To: Aquinasfan
"I value each and every life, and that's why it is so important that certain people be allowed to continue to brutally murder certain others, so as not to place onerous burdens on the---oops, I was talking about a health issue, wasn't I?"
48 posted on 03/12/2003 12:12:34 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: Recovering_Democrat
BTTT. This is one of the few times I wish I could watch CSPAN. Sounds like Santorum is mopping the floor with Hillary and Ol' Crusty (she is wearing Ol' Crusty, right?)
49 posted on 03/12/2003 12:12:40 PM PST by hattend
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Prayer of St. Michael the Archangel

St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in the day of Battle;
Be our safeguard against the wickedness and snares of the Devil.
May God rebuke Him, we humbly pray,
and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host, by the power of God,
cast into Hell, Satan and all the other evil spirits,
who prowl through the world, seeking the ruin of souls.

Amen.

50 posted on 03/12/2003 12:12:47 PM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: happymom
This is a long read, but I think it helps explain the personal passion Rick exhibits.

Tuesday, June 23, 1998
By Karen MacPherson

When Karen Garver Santorum, wife of Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., wrote a series of letters to her unborn fourth child, she never expected to publish them.

The letters, filled with personal details and thoughts, were just her way of expressing first her joy at being pregnant, and then her anguish as she learned that her baby - named Gabriel Michael for the two archangels - had a tiny, often-fatal defect.

Although doctors successfully performed intrauterine surgery to temporarily correct the defect, she developed an infection from the procedure and went into premature labor.

Two hours after he was born on Oct. 11, 1996 - five months before his due date - Gabriel Michael Santorum died in the arms of his parents.

Months after Gabriel's death, his mother - moved by the pleas of her parents, who also had an infant son die - decided to publish the letters in the hope that they could comfort others.

"Letters to Gabriel: The True Story of Gabriel Michael Santorum" (CCC of America, $14.99). It features a foreword by Mother Theresa, written before her death last year, and an introduction by talk--radio personality Dr. Laura Schlessinger.

In a recent telephone interview, Santorum said deciding to publish her letters was "the hardest thing I've ever done. "I wrote a lot more letters than appear in the book, but I just couldn't publish them, I just couldn't."

Once the Santorums decided to make the letters public, they had trouble finding a publisher. Even Christian publishers shied away from the book, with one telling the couple that it was "too Catholic," the senator recalls.

It was finally accepted by CCC of America (short for Creative Communications Center), a Catholic-based company in Irving, Texas that produces and distributes videos for children.

"One of the things that parents ask themselves when they lose a child is `Why?'What was God doing here?" Rick Santorum said. "This book helps us answer the question. Maybe it's the reason God put Gabriel on this earth."

"Letters to Gabriel" is a slender volume, 132 pages in all, but it packs an emotional wallop, as the author describes in intensely personal terms how she, her husband and their three children dealt with the grief of losing a baby.

It's both religious and unapologetically sentimental. The letters were edited to eliminate repetition, but the feelings are genuine.

The Santorums'ardent Catholic faith provides the core of the book. Each letter begins with a Bible verse and ends with a personal prayer.

The bereaved mother acknowledges in some letters that neither she nor her husband readily accepted "God's will" for Gabriel.

At the end of the book, however, she firmly states that "the only reassurance for your Daddy and me is our faith in God. I have learned to surrender even more to His protection and care."

The book also gives a glimpse into the Santorums'personal life. Santorum tells how she and her husband wept and prayed together, and even reveals the Christmas gifts they gave each other after Gabriel's death: handmade Italian statues of St. Gabriel and St. Michael.

She also discloses how he coped after the death, saying, "Daddy says it's so difficult when ... he's always having to maintain an outward com posure. On the outside, he smiles and acts like he's fine, but he carries within him a heavy heart and too frequently has to hold back the tears."

After Gabriel died, Karen Santorum also found herself mired in sadness, as she tried to keep life as normal as possible for her other three children, Elizabeth, now 7, Johnny, 5, and Daniel, 3.

At one point after Gabriel's death, she writes to her dead child: "I think I'm losing my mind. I feel kicks inside me that aren't there. . . . I called your brother Daniel `Gabriel'today.

"It's all such a terrible nightmare. How I wish I could wake up and realize that it was all a bad dream. I am numb, exhausted and depressed."

Since the book was published in April, she has received hundreds of letters.

"These are parents going through difficult times, who've said that the book has given them the courage and fortitude to get through it," she said.

Karen Santorum, who was trained as a nurse and a lawyer, is an at-home mom who works part-time for the Pittsburgh communications firm of Brabender Cox. The Santorums have since had another child, Sarah, who is 5 months old.

"Letters to Gabriel" also blends the personal with the political. Santorum uses her own experience with Gabriel to take a stand against partial-birth abortion.

At the time of his family's crisis, Rick Santorum was, by coincidence, leading the fight against partial-birth abortion on the Senate floor.

"There is another way. We know, because we chose it," Karen Santorum writes. "It was to deliver you and allow you to die a natural and peaceful death in the loving arms of your parents.

"Accepting partial-birth abortion as our only alternative to a difficult birth or a potentially disabled infant is to thwart two of our strongest human needs: those of love and memory.

"Giving life and caring for a sick infant - for however brief a period - allows us to express these uniquely human needs."

http://www.post-gazette.com/books/19980623corner.asp
51 posted on 03/12/2003 12:12:51 PM PST by twigs
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To: sf4dubya
I actually replaced my congresscritter Nadler with Steve Buyer (impeachment house manager, active in 2000 re-re-re-recount, pro-America). I've contributed to his re-election campaigns and wrote in one letter about how I consider him my adopted congressman, given my actual one -- and he actually wrote back (in his own handwriting) thanking me for that. :)

In the Senate, it's more slim pickins, but I recently decided to replace the hag with Lindsey Graham. I guess I'll have to start sending campaign contributions soon and "inform" him of his adoption. :D

53 posted on 03/12/2003 12:13:29 PM PST by NYC GOP Chick (Clinton Legacy = 16-acre hole in the ground in lower Manhattan)
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To: Sacajaweau
Will the Hilldabeast be up again?
54 posted on 03/12/2003 12:13:29 PM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: hellinahandcart
If "each and every life" is sooooooooo important to Hitlery, why doesn't she advocate just completing the birth process in a partial birth abortion? Seems to me this would satisfy her desire for ridding a woman of an unwanted pregnancy, while providing a live baby for adoption by people who would love to adopt a child (cleft palate or not).

Oh .... what? ...... this is not about each and EVERY life being important?

Silly me. < / sarcasm >

55 posted on 03/12/2003 12:13:52 PM PST by RightField (the older you get ..... the older old is ......)
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To: hispanarepublicana
HARKIN IS TRYING TO MAKE THIS INTO A MEDICAL PROCEDURE QUESTION.

THIS IS NOT A MEDICAL PROCEDURE, TOM--IT IS

INFANTICIDE.

56 posted on 03/12/2003 12:13:53 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I'm SO glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat; Artist; Dataman; Caleb1411

Santorum asks Hitlery if she would like to determine which babies are fit to be born and which aren't

ARE YOU SERIOUS??? Is that pretty much verbatim? Oh, wow, that is AWESOME. That is GOLDEN. I'd pay something to see that kind of an interchange. WOW.

Dan

57 posted on 03/12/2003 12:13:59 PM PST by BibChr (Gotta love these guys who are smarter than God!)
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To: Aquinasfan
Amen.
58 posted on 03/12/2003 12:14:06 PM PST by Maeve (Siobhan's daughter and sometime banshee.)
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To: NH Liberty
When Santorum talks to Harkin, he does so fairly assertively. When he talks to Hitlery, his eyes head downward and he lowers his voice to a meek mutter.

Had to change the channel. Will try again later, but if Santorum doesn't grow a beard in the next few minutes, I won't be able to watch!
59 posted on 03/12/2003 12:14:14 PM PST by NH Liberty
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To: hispanarepublicana
Santorum: In many of these difficult cases--all to our knowledge--where the child must be separated from the mother--we have not heard one where separation means abortion.
60 posted on 03/12/2003 12:14:42 PM PST by hispanarepublicana (successful, educated unauthentic latina--in Patrick Leahy's eyes, at least)
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