[Dolphy]

Don't try to scare me or call me names, just do a Sgt. Friday "give me the facts, ma'am." I'll make up my own mind on what these facts actually mean, thank you.

As far as I know there is nothing under consideration in Congress called the Patriot Act II. Either it was leaked out of the DOJ as a trial balloon (in which case it is getting blasted as an idea that won't fly) or it was leaked to cause all of this hand wringing.

[NeoCaveman]

As far as I know there is nothing under consideration in Congress called the Patriot Act II. Either it was leaked out of the DOJ as a trial balloon (in which case it is getting blasted as an idea that won't fly) or it was leaked to cause all of this hand wringing.

Those ideas, IF ever proposed would not make it out of the House, or even out of the House Judiciary committee.

[B4Ranch]

Here is the complete draft if you wish to become informed.

PATRIOT II

Introduction | Analyses | News

Top News

• "PATRIOT II" Draft Obtained. The Center for Public Integrity has obtained draft legislation titled the "Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003." The legislation would expand surveillance powers and access to private data while limiting access to information held by the government. For more information, see the EPIC USA PATRIOT Act Page. (Feb. 7, 2003)

Introduction

In February 2003, the Center for Public Integrity obtained an apparent draft of "PATRIOT II" legislation. The draft, dated January 9, 2003, contained an analysis and the proposed text of the "Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003."

The draft touches on a number of areas of law, including wiretapping, law enforcement access to business records, freedom of information, search and seizure, encryption policy, and immigration law.

When the language was leaked, the DOJ immediately issued a press release minimizing the importance of the draft. However, the draft indicates that DOJ intends to continue to increase executive police power while either limiting or eliminating congressional or judicial oversight.

• PATRIOT II Draft (12 MB PDF), Privacy.org.
• PATRIOT II Draft (OCR HTML Version), Dailyrotten.com.

Analyses

• Section-by-Section Analysis of Justice Department draft “Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003,” also known as "PATRIOT Act II," ACLU, February 14, 2003.
• Talking Points I: Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003 ("Patriot II"), Friends Committee on National Legislation, February 13, 2003.
• Patriot Act II Also Limits the Public’s Right-to-Know, OMBWatch, February 10, 2003.

News

• ACLU Says New Ashcroft Bill Erodes Checks and Balances on Presidential Power; PATRIOT II Legislation Would Needlessly Infringe on Basic Constitutional Liberties, ACLU, February 12, 2003.
• Patriot Act: The Sequel, Washington Post, February 12, 2003.
• FBI chief seeks new powers; rebuffs critics, Government Executive, February 11, 2003.
• Comments Of Senator Patrick Leahy, Ranking Democratic Member, Senate Judiciary Committee,
  On The Justice Department’s Secrecy In Drafting A Sequel To The USA PATRIOT Act, Senator Leahy, February 10, 2003.
• Perspectives: Ashcroft's worrisome spy plans, CNET, February 10, 2003.
• DOJ Statement on Release of PATRIOT II Draft, DOJ, February 7, 2003.
• Justice Dept. Drafts Sweeping Expansion of Anti-Terrorism Act, Center for Public Integrity, February 7, 2003.

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[kesg]

As far as I know there is nothing under consideration in Congress called the Patriot Act II. Either it was leaked out of the DOJ as a trial balloon (in which case it is getting blasted as an idea that won't fly) or it was leaked to cause all of this hand wringing.

I think you're right, come to think of it. And I'm not necessarily defending something that I just admitted I don't know squat about. :) My objection was to the tone and style of the article, nothing more. It is the style of "argument" that the lefties almost always use, a style which (1) doesn't work as a method of persuasion (except for the weak-minded people who follow them) and (2) invariably rubs me the wrong way.

[Sonny M]

This is a rumor that started on D.U., somehow got posted on PBS, and was pulled because it was a "prank" of some sort. This is total bull. I'm actually shocked to see it posted here.

[Nebr FAL owner]

Officially it ain't called Patriot II & yes it was leaked. By someone inside the DOJ which gives you some idea as just how bad this bit of legislation well & truly is.