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Could U.N. use military force on U.S.?
World Net Daily ^ | March 15, 2003 | Henry_Winkler

Posted on 03/15/2003 5:50:41 AM PST by Henry_winkler

Could the U.N. use military force to prevent the United States and Britain from waging war on Iraq without a Security Council mandate?

United Nations headquarters in New York Some anti-war groups are urging the world body to invoke a little-known convention that allows the General Assembly to step in when the Security Council is at an impasse in the face of a "threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression." The willingness by the U.S. and Britain to go to war with Iraq without Security Council authorization is the kind of threat the U.N. had in mind when it passed Resolution 377 in 1950, said Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, a human-rights group in New York City. In a position paper, Ratner wrote that by invoking the resolution, called "Uniting for Peace," the "General Assembly can meet within 24 hours to consider such a matter, and can recommend collective measures to U.N. members including the use of armed forces to 'maintain or restore international peace and security.'" The U.N. taking military action against the U.S.? "It would be very difficult to say what that means," said Ratner in an interview with WorldNetDaily, emphasizing that he did not believe the situation would evolve to that "extreme." "I don't consider that within the framework I'm talking about," he said. Shonna Carter, a publicist for Ratner's group, said she believed it would be legitimate for the U.N. to use military force to stop "U.S. aggression." "But I doubt it would happen," she said. "I don't think that as part of Uniting for Peace they would include military action, but that would have to be something those countries agreed on. …" Steve Sawyer, spokesman for Greenpeace in New Zealand – which has joined Ratner's group in the campaign – told WND he was not aware of the U.N. being able to use force under any circumstances. Ratner explained that Resolution 377 would enable the General Assembly to declare that the U.S. cannot take military action against Iraq without the explicit authority of the Security Council. The assembly also could mandate that the inspection regime be allowed to "complete its work." "It seems unlikely that the United States and Britain would ignore such a measure," Ratner said in his paper. "A vote by the majority of countries in the world, particularly if it were almost unanimous, would make the unilateral rush to war more difficult." Uniting for Peace can be invoked either by seven members of the Security Council or by a majority of the members of the General Assembly, he said


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1 posted on 03/15/2003 5:50:41 AM PST by Henry_winkler
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To: Henry_winkler
Come get some UN!


2 posted on 03/15/2003 5:54:15 AM PST by Brett66
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To: Henry_winkler
Before the UN jumps on this bandwagon, maybe they should first go after France for sending its troops into the Ivory Coast a few months ago, or...

maybe go after the Syrians who have occupied Lebanon for the last 30+ years, or...

its a long list.

3 posted on 03/15/2003 5:56:09 AM PST by Seeking the truth (I'm going on the FRN Cruise - How about you? - Details at www.Freerepublic.net)
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To: Henry_winkler
Oh yeah. That would just put the nail in the coffin.

And, pray tell, just who would be the last foreign fighter to set foot on American soil?
4 posted on 03/15/2003 5:56:51 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: Henry_winkler
Could the U.N. use military force to prevent the United States and Britain from waging war on Iraq without a Security Council mandate?

Yeah, once.

5 posted on 03/15/2003 5:56:59 AM PST by TADSLOS (Sua Sponte)
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To: Henry_winkler
UNSC Resolution 687, 3 April 1991

"7. Invites Iraq to reaffirm unconditionally its obligations under the Geneva Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or Other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare, signed at Geneva on 17 June 1925, and to ratify the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production and Stockpiling of Bacteriological (Biological) and Toxin Weapons and on Their Destruction, of 10 April 1972; "

"8. Decides that Iraq shall unconditionally accept the destruction, removal, or rendering harmless, under international supervision, of:

(a) All chemical and biological weapons and all stocks of agents and all related subsystems and components and all research, development, support and manufacturing facilities;

(b) All ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 kilometres and related major parts, and repair and production facilities; "

"9. Decides, for the implementation of paragraph 8 above, the following:

(a) Iraq shall submit to the Secretary-General, within fifteen days of the adoption of the present resolution, a declaration of the locations, amounts and types of all items specified in paragraph 8 and agree to urgent, on-site inspection as specified below;

(b) The Secretary-General, in consultation with the appropriate Governments and, where appropriate, with the Director-General of the World Health Organization, within forty-five days of the passage of the present resolution, shall develop, and submit to the Council for approval, a plan calling for the completion of the following acts within forty-five days of such approval:

(i) The forming of a Special Commission, which shall carry out immediate on-site inspection of Iraq's biological, chemical and missile capabilities, based on Iraq's declarations and the designation of any additional locations by the Special Commission itself;

(ii) The yielding by Iraq of possession to the Special Commission for destruction, removal or rendering harmless, taking into account the requirements of public safety, of all items specified under paragraph 8 (a) above, including items at the additional locations designated by the Special Commission under paragraph 9 (b) (i) above and the destruction by Iraq, under the supervision of the Special Commission, of all its missile capabilities, including launchers, as specified under paragraph 8 (b) above; "

"10. Decides that Iraq shall unconditionally undertake not to use, develop, construct or acquire any of the items specified in paragraphs 8 and 9 above and requests the Secretary-General, in consultation with the Special Commission, to develop a plan for the future ongoing monitoring and verification of Iraq's compliance with this paragraph, to be submitted to the Security Council for approval within one hundred and twenty days of the passage of this resolution; "

"11. Invites Iraq to reaffirm unconditionally its obligations under the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons of 1 July 1968; "

"12. Decides that Iraq shall unconditionally agree not to acquire or develop nuclear weapons or nuclear-weapons-usable material or any subsystems or components or any research, development, support or manufacturing facilities related to the above; to submit to the Secretary-General and the Director-General of the International Atomic Energy Agency within fifteen days of the adoption of the present resolution a declaration of the locations, amounts, and types of all items specified above; to place all of its nuclear-weapons-usable materials under the exclusive control, for custody and removal, of the International Atomic Energy Agency, with the assistance and cooperation of the Special Commission as provided for in the plan of the Secretary-General discussed in paragraph 9 (b) above; to accept, in accordance with the arrangements provided for in paragraph 13 below, urgent on-site inspection and the destruction, removal or rendering harmless as appropriate of all items specified above; and to accept the plan discussed in paragraph 13 below for the future ongoing monitoring and verification of its compliance with these undertakings; "

"13. Requests the Director-General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, through the Secretary-General, with the assistance and cooperation of the Special Commission as provided for in the plan of the Secretary-General in paragraph 9 (b) above, to carry out immediate on-site inspection of Iraq's nuclear capabilities based on Iraq's declarations and the designation of any additional locations by the Special Commission; to develop a plan for submission to the Security Council within forty-five days calling for the destruction, removal, or rendering harmless as appropriate of all items listed in paragraph 12 above; to carry out the plan within forty-five days following approval by the Security Council; and to develop a plan, taking into account the rights and obligations of Iraq under the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons of 1 July 1968, for the future ongoing monitoring and verification of Iraq's compliance with paragraph 12 above, including an inventory of all nuclear material in Iraq subject to the Agency's verification and inspections to confirm that Agency safeguards cover all relevant nuclear activities in Iraq, to be submitted to the Security Council for approval within one hundred and twenty days of the passage of the present resolution; "

"30. Decides that, in furtherance of its commitment to facilitate the repatriation of all Kuwaiti and third country nationals, Iraq shall extend all necessary cooperation to the International Committee of the Red Cross, providing lists of such persons, facilitating the access of the International Committee of the Red Cross to all such persons wherever located or detained and facilitating the search by the International Committee of the Red Cross for those Kuwaiti and third country nationals still unaccounted for; "

"31. Invites the International Committee of the Red Cross to keep the Secretary-General apprised as appropriate of all activities undertaken in connection with facilitating the repatriation or return of all Kuwaiti and third country nationals or their remains present in Iraq on or after 2 August 1990"

"32. Requires Iraq to inform the Security Council that it will not commit or support any act of international terrorism or allow any organization directed towards commission of such acts to operate within its territory and to condemn unequivocally and renounce all acts, methods and practices of terrorism; "

"33. Declares that, upon official notification by Iraq to the Secretary-General and to the Security Council of its acceptance of the provisions above, a formal cease-fire is effective between Iraq and Kuwait and the Member States cooperating with Kuwait in accordance with resolution 678 (1990); "

Now let's take a look at the record since this Resolution was passed and accepted.

Several times over the past dozen years, Iraq has been found to have been concealing its prohibited WMD stockpiles and manufacturing programs from UN inspectors, all in violation of UNSC Resolution 687.

We have now even recently found Iraq to be in possession of and to be actively manufacturing prohibited ballistic missiles in violation of UNSC Resolution 687.

A dozen years after Iraq invaded Kuwait, there are still several hundred Kuwaitis who remain unaccounted for.

Iraq continued to harbor known, wanted terrorist Abu Nidal for years until he died by suicide or assassination last summer. That was a violation of 687. Also, Iraq plotted to assassinate former US President George Bush in 1993. That was also a violation. Iraq is known to have provided financial assistance to Palestinian terrorist groups who have carried out suicide bombings in Israel. That is a violation. And, finally, known al Qaeda operatives are known to be active in Iraq as explained by Secretary of State Colin Powell before the UN Security Council. Once again, that is a violation of UNSC Resolution 687.

The major issues raised in UNSC Resolution 687 were: (i) Iraq's WMD (weapons of mass destruction) programs; (ii) Iraq's ballistic missile program; (iii) Iraq's history of support for international terrorism and; (iv) the whereabouts and fate of several hundred missing Kuwaiti nationals.

Iraq has committed numerous violations with regard to all four counts. Even as late as today, Iraqi fighter jets threatened USAF U-2 recon flights working for the UN--once again in violation of UNSC Resolution 687 passed a dozen years ago.

Yet the UN still wants to pass yet another Security Council resolution? I frankly have lost count, but I believe that the next resolution will be the 17th or 18th dealing with Iraq since the passage of 687 way back in 1991. What on earth would another resolution accomplish? Perhaps it would serve to delay US forces' discovery that Russia, China, France and Germany all violated embargoes put on Iraq by UNSC Resolution 687.

Actually a new resolution would be still-borne because French President Chirac says France will veto any new resolution authorizing force. THE UN: SLOUCHING TOWARD IRRELEVANCE

Right now the US is in the almost surreal position of having to lobby countries like Cameroon, Guinea, Mexico, Pakistan, Syria, Angola and Chile in order to defend our own national security. Meanwhile, France, a nation that the US twice went to war for in the last century, is stabbing us in the back and building a roadblock, effectively ensuring that US national security will be at risk. And let's not forget that we have seen numerous reports of Chinese and Russian violations of the arms embargo imposed by UNSC Resolution 687 over the years. Both of those nations can put up roadblocks as well.

It is truly absurd that in America's efforts to combat rogue, terrorist-sponsoring nations with weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles, we are having to exercise furious shuttle diplomacy to win the approval of nations like Chile, Angola and Guinea.

Those nations share few of our values, next to none of our national interests and certainly don't have any national security stake in the outcome of the effort to combat rogue, terrorist-sponsoring nations with weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. Chile, Angola and Guinea are no more threatened by Saddam Hussein than the man on the moon...he's not stockpiling anthrax, VX and ballistic missiles to take out Santiago, Luanda or Conakry. Nor is he likely to be inclined to pass weaponry and support on to terrorists to target Beijing or Moscow.

The idea that we are in this position seems unfathomable and is a perversion of the original intent of the UN. This very affair, as well as the UN's feeble dealings with Iraq over the past dozen years (not to mention the more recent revelations about the UN's inability to even identify the nature of Iran's nuclear program) have rendered the world organization irrelevant.

Get around we have had permission a long time No longer can the US afford to subordinate its security to the interests of adversaries in the UN. We must not cede US sovereignty to the UN or anyone. We must defend our own national security first and foremost. A member of the World Tribune Board of Advisers, Christopher Holton has been writing on economic and national security affairs for more than a decade. He can be reached through his non-profit web site, http://www.nationalsecurityonline.com.

6 posted on 03/15/2003 5:58:07 AM PST by scooby321
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Bummer! The UN could drop acid, then . . . . like . . . . . hit us with bad vibes.
7 posted on 03/15/2003 5:58:29 AM PST by dighton
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To: Henry_winkler
I hope they try this. Bush's approval ratings will be 95%. Without the US, the UN has no credible military power. It would be like swatting a mosquito.
8 posted on 03/15/2003 5:58:50 AM PST by Trust but Verify
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To: Henry_winkler
Well, if they do that, we can agree to disarm, and they can call us in a hundred years.
9 posted on 03/15/2003 6:00:32 AM PST by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: Henry_winkler
BTW, Michael Ratner is the brother of Ms. Ellen Ratner (liberal demonrat commentator, and FOXNEWS Contributor)......

Figures doesn't it?? There's the shallow end of the gene pool.....

NeverGore
10 posted on 03/15/2003 6:02:24 AM PST by nevergore (Stupid is as stupid does....)
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To: Henry_winkler
The willingness by the U.S. and Britain to go to war with Iraq without Security Council authorization...

Resolution 1441 seems good enough for me. If 1441 isn't good enough for the French or Germans, then by all means the U.N. should use force on the U.S.

What do you call an army of blue helmets and white armor? A target rich environment.

5.56mm

11 posted on 03/15/2003 6:03:27 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Henry_winkler
A simple principal: Where does most of the $$$ come from? As Judge Judy says "Follow the money." Since much of the UN's funding is via the USA and most of the UN participating nations are recipients of USA aid, would they bite the hand that feeds them? Well, as soon as I typed that, I remembered that old book/movie, The Mouse That Roared who did exactly that--declare war on the USA so they could collect $20 million in financial aid from---the USA.
12 posted on 03/15/2003 6:03:46 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Henry_winkler
Please try, pretty please with sugar on top, throw in a cherry too.
I can hardly wait to aim at some blue helmets.
13 posted on 03/15/2003 6:04:06 AM PST by Crusader21stCentury
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To: Henry_winkler
Get the UN out of New York City and get America out of the UN. We are idiots to be in it..
14 posted on 03/15/2003 6:04:17 AM PST by TLBSHOW (The gift is to see the truth......)
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To: Henry_winkler
"...Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights, a human-rights group in New York City..."

It seems rather funny to me that a group claiming to champion constitutional rights has such little regard for our Constitution and favors subjugating it to an international organization.

15 posted on 03/15/2003 6:05:04 AM PST by big'ol_freeper ("When do I get to lift my leg on the liberal?...err...make that French")
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To: Henry_winkler
Well, the U.N. could certainly *try* to stop the United States by attacking us militarily.

It would go down in history as the "30 Minute War," a decisive victory for the United States and freedom-loving peoples everywhere.
16 posted on 03/15/2003 6:08:18 AM PST by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: nevergore
BTW, Michael Ratner is the brother of Ms. Ellen Ratner (liberal demonrat commentator, and FOXNEWS Contributor)......

Yeah, Ellen-babe talked about it on Fox News this morning. Before I could change channels I heard her say even she thought her brother's efforts would fail.

I think both her and her brother should get "fixed." There's obviously a mutant gene running wild in that family and it's inhumane to keep passing it down to generation after generation of more RATS.

17 posted on 03/15/2003 6:11:39 AM PST by geedee
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To: Henry_winkler
In the 19th century Bismark was asked what his response would be if Britain invaded Germany.
He said he would have the Border Police arrest them.

The NYPD is perfectly capable of handling any invasion the UN could assemble.

So9

18 posted on 03/15/2003 6:17:32 AM PST by Servant of the Nine (JDAM the torpedoes, full speed ahead.)
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To: No Truce With Kings; Jeff Head
>>It would go down in history as the "30 Minute War," a decisive victory for the United States and freedom-loving peoples everywhere<<

Everyone here is thinking about this in terms of fighting Cameroon.

If China is seeking "the color of law" to act militarily against us in alliance with France, Germany, Russia, and Iran, now or in the future, it most certainly will not be "over in 30 minutes".

19 posted on 03/15/2003 6:18:51 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Henry_winkler
"Could they decide to" is a whole lot different than "are they able."

They are not able.

Even the hint of such a discussion SHOULD be the death-knell regarding U.S. membership in the U.N. They breathe it, and we leave with our money, and we kick them out of our country.
20 posted on 03/15/2003 6:21:05 AM PST by xzins (Babylon, you have been weighed in the balance and been found wanting!)
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