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Understanding Islam And Its Radicals
ConservativeTruth.org ^ | November 11, 2001 | Ana Barrett

Posted on 03/27/2003 8:26:19 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez

I was completely numb as I watched the videos of the attack on September 11. As the attack was investigated and we learned that the perpetrators were Islamic terrorists, I could not shake the thought that something in their religion made these attacks seem legitimate in their eyes.

So I started, very cautiously, to look into what Islam stands for and what it considers important. I did not want to jump to conclusions. I wanted to know the truth. As a Christian and a serious student of the Bible, I am familiar with the bloody passages of the Old Testament. For this reason I proceeded with caution in my research. My goal was to discover the truth about Islam. My research did include some limited reading of the Qur'an (known in the West as the Koran), but it mainly consisted of reading and listening to people who were very knowledgeable of the religion.

First of all, in order to understand Muslims we need to know what they think of Allah, and we need to look at their worldview. We need to understand moderate Muslims, but we also need an understanding of the radical point of view.

Dr. Samuel Schlorff, an expert on Islam with Arab World Ministries, has written an excellent paper on the religion. He makes a scholarly comparison between Christianity and Islam. Much of the information used in this article regarding the history of Islam was drawn from this paper.

Here are some key points of Islamic theology:

1. Allah is Absolutely Transcendent
Allah is unlike anything that exists. This means that Allah is completely mysterious. Muslims believe that they can know the truth about him, but they can't have any knowledge of him as a person. He is a distant god who lets only his will be known.

2. Divine Guidance
Muslims believe the Qur'an offers guidance for living life and it is usually referred to as "a guidance and mercy for believers." (Sura 27:77) Their law (the Shari'ah) consists of the Qur'an as well as other materials.

3. Islam is from Heaven
The Qur'an describes its revelation as a "sending down" of material from a heavenly being. Because it came in the Arabic language, it is referred to as a heavenly language. From this idea stems the thought that an Islamic community is of heavenly origin. Dr. Nabil Jabur was interviewed recently on Moody radio. He is the author of the book The Rumbling Volcano, which deals with radical Islam. He states that the Qur'an is comprised of recitations given by Muhammad, which Muslims believe came from Allah for specific situations. Thus, when Muhammad was experiencing a tranquil period in his life, the tolerant recitations came forth. When he was having problems with three Jewish tribes, the militant recitations came forth. The Qur'an teaches both peace and war.
Some verses dealing with tolerance are:
Sura 2:5-6 - There is no compulsion in religion.
Sura 5:82 - The nearest in affection to the believer are those who say we are Christian.
Dr. Jabur stated. "When only one side of the Qur'an is presented alone, that is not the truth."

4. A Community in Submission
The Islamic view of the world is that man is inherently good. If man is depraved by society, then any government can create a perfect society by enforcing Islamic law. Muhammad was the head of state of Medina, which Muslims believe was a perfect society. This form of Islamic government is considered by Muslims to be an example of living in true submission to divine law. This degree of submission is greater than any that exists outside of Islam. For Muslims such a community represents the kingdom of Allah on earth. They believe the future of Islam is to dominate the whole House of War (which is how they refer to the entire non-Muslim world) until it is controlled by an Islamic state. The ultimate goal is that the entire world be under Islamic law.

What does the word Islam mean? We have been told, that Islam is related to the Arabic word meaning "peace." This is partially accurate, except that the word means a specific kind of peace. A more accurate translation is "surrender" or "submission." It describes the calm that exists when a vanquished soldier lays down his arms in submission. Dr. Schlorff states, "The truth is that there is another side to Islam, a side that embraces violence 'in the way of Allah.'"

Sura 2:216 - Fighting is prescribed for you.
Sura 2:190-192 - Fight in the cause of god, those who fight you enslave them. Fight them until there is no more persecution and oppression and there prevails justice and faith in god.
Sura 9:5 - Fight and enslave infidels.

During his interview Dr. Jabur was asked what the typical Muslim would think of Osama bin Laden. Would they approve or disapprove of what he is doing? He stated that it would be possible for religious Muslims to have either opinion. Some are embarrassed by what bin Laden is doing. Others think that grievances which have existed for years have come to a head in a justified violent retaliation.

Dr. Jabur tried to illuminate the meaning of a phrase which is used by Muslims and which has not been explained to us. Jihad does not mean holy war. Jihad means "striving for god." It comes in three degrees: 1) Striving against sin in one's own life; 2) The act of motivating others to do good; and 3) Using violent means to stop a wrong act is justifiable if necessary. This third degree is the one with which we are most familiar.

After Muhammad died in Medina he was succeeded by four caliphs who ruled in his place. (A caliph is "one who comes after.") The leadership of Muhammad's Islamic society was divided. Sunnis accept that all four were legitimate. Shi'ites believe that only one, Ali, was the rightful successor. The result has been a division within the Muslim world pertaining to Islamic law and spiritual authority. That is why we do not have a single Muslim leader to whom the world can appeal to stand up and lead the Muslims of the world away from bin Laden.

Shortly after the Attack, Chuck Colson brought up some very interesting points on his radio show, Breakpoint. He stated that due to the lack of widely recognized Islamic leadership, bin Laden is attempting to unify the radical Muslims living in moderate Muslim states. He would like nothing more than to have them overthrow those states so that he can unify them and install himself as the leader of one large radical Islamic nation, and wage war against the West. As evidence of this, he pointed out that bin Laden has not shown much interest in the Palestinians in the past. Now he is speaking out in their behalf in order to gain their support.

Of course most Muslims do not support such violence as terrorism. However watching a Muslim country being bombed day after day might change the minds of even the most moderate and cause them to support bin Laden. Perhaps that is the plan: Goad Muslims into hating the West so much that anything goes. The Qur'an supports both violence and peace. They may think that they can use violence now and then have peace on their own terms later


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: islam; islamofascists; radicalislam
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To: Luis Gonzalez
After The Rapture, God will begin executing judgments

Maybe this is one reason Christians tend to be much more peaceful ---God will judge, God will do the destroying.

101 posted on 03/27/2003 3:48:19 PM PST by FITZ
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To: TLBSHOW
Ann Coulter is a fruitcake.

This would be religious oppression on a scale not seen for centuries.

This would be noting more than carrying Osama's water for him. All of Islam, every last one of them would be saying to themselves "Osama was right.. This is a War against Islam"

It's also completely unconstitutional and it's exactly the kind of thing you would like me to believe you're protecting us against.

The kinds of things you expressed are exactly the thought's Osama would look for in a follower. Don't you realize that?

102 posted on 03/27/2003 3:49:38 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Hi, I'm Johnny Knoxville, and this is "Freepin for Zot!")
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To: Luis Gonzalez
While 80% of Arabs are Muslims, 80% of Muslims are not Arabs. Yet 90% of the world's troubles with Islamic radicals occur in Arabic countries.

I think this is why when the Iranian shiites held those American hostages, they didn't slaughter them, they are a different people. Iranians and Turks had a better religion before Islam was imposed on them by the Arabs and still have those Zoroasterism influences which moderate them somewhat. Islam is an Arab religion, that's where it originates and where it is practiced in it's most pure form.

103 posted on 03/27/2003 3:51:13 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I somehow missed your ping.....THANK YOU. A VERY good article.
104 posted on 03/27/2003 4:15:30 PM PST by justshe (FREE MIGUEL !)
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To: Jhoffa_
Tell me how on earth we would ever of won world war 2 if we allowed what we do with Islam to go on in this country?

I call it a cult on another thread someone calls it a political movement. You want to call it a Peaceful religion.

It can't be all 3. Which is it? Go back in its history and it is plain to see what Islam is.

Now fast foreward to today. Islam is a clear amd present danger to the survival of America.

And we must get it right, just what Islam is. Or as I said we as a nation will not survive.



105 posted on 03/27/2003 4:23:46 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
How would we reconcile outlawing Islam with the 1st Amendment?
106 posted on 03/27/2003 4:38:10 PM PST by Amelia (God bless our troops!)
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To: Amelia
I was waiting for that one. Why don't you tell me how?

But I know where you are going with this so I will cut to the chase. If you new the enemy of America was using the 1st Amendment to hide behide to destroy and take over the country would you then sit back and allow it?

And since I say its a cult Ann says its a cult and another poster says its a political movement and you are saying its a religion, well it seems easy enough that America since our national security depends on it that we decide what it is. And in the interest of America and Americas security we decide its really a political movement or a dangerous cult then the ist amendment will not apply. Will it?

I am open for debate but we had better make some decisions soon as we have wasted almost 2 years now.


107 posted on 03/27/2003 4:47:58 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
I new your a lair just proved it.
108 posted on 03/27/2003 4:49:54 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: TLBSHOW
Why don't you tell me how?

Because you're the one suggesting it be done.

Whether you like it or not, and whether you agree or not, Islam is recognized as one of the world's 3 major religions. How can our government suddenly decide to say it isn't a religion?

You don't know the answer to that...of course, you don't need to. You're just throwing this out into the forum to try to stir up stuff.

109 posted on 03/27/2003 4:57:53 PM PST by Amelia (God bless our troops!)
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To: Amelia
How would we reconcile outlawing Islam with the 1st Amendment?

We need to deal with Islam the same way we deal with Communism and Nazism. We don't outlaw those either, they also want to overthrow the US Constitution and replace our government with a totalitarian form of government. Islam is at least as much a political ideology as it is a religion.

110 posted on 03/27/2003 5:11:51 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Luis Gonzalez
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111 posted on 03/27/2003 5:13:58 PM PST by rdb3 (rdb3, Tha SYNDICATE, and now bringing the FIRE to Project 21. Uh, oh...)
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To: Amelia; TLBSHOW; Luis Gonzalez
As I posted on another thread, it is a circular logic debate.

A statement is made by a poster.

The FACTS and LOGIC re: said statement are presented to either refute or question said statment.

The person making the original statement accuses you of either 1)not recognizing the truth of the statement (for nefarious reasons because you don't acknowledge his 'gift'); or 2)being a liar (there are various labels used in place of liar).

In any debate set up by said poster.....he wins; you lose----IN HIS MIND.

I am more convinced than ever that said poster is a disruptor. His sole goal is to bring down the GOP and this administration.

Your post was excellent to this poster. HOW do you reconcile the Ist Amendment with the desires of said poster?

Some facts:

A)Religion bashing is not allowed on this forum.

B)Islam/Muslim is a recognized religion by this country. Like it or not....that's a fact.

Hence....statements that "Islam is a bloody cult" carry no weight...except in the mind of said poster, and MAY be putting him in a very dangerous zone.

Luis, my apologies to you for my post, which takes your most excellent thread off-topic. I shall cease and desist post haste.
112 posted on 03/27/2003 5:19:46 PM PST by justshe (FREE MIGUEL !)
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To: Righty1
AMEN!! I have no desire to understand Islam or it's radicals. I only want to hurry them on their way to Allah's door.
113 posted on 03/27/2003 5:21:57 PM PST by Ima Lurker
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To: justshe
2)being a liar (there are various labels used in place of liar).

Don't you mean "lair"? ;-)

114 posted on 03/27/2003 5:30:47 PM PST by Amelia (God bless our troops!)
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To: justshe
I like the way Ann Coulter put it...She said

The nation has been invaded by a fanatical, murderous


cult
115 posted on 03/27/2003 5:30:58 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Luis Gonzalez; sweetliberty
Your thoughts bump.
116 posted on 03/27/2003 5:31:46 PM PST by Budge (God Bless FReepers!)
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To: justshe
I'm beginning to think Jhoffa was right.
117 posted on 03/27/2003 5:41:27 PM PST by Howlin
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To: TLBSHOW; Jhoffa_
And those that have invaded are being sought and will be brought to justice. That does NOT include ALL Muslims, as you post so often.

YOU, as jhoffa so correctly posted, are the perfect target to be a foil or a dupe for OBL.

118 posted on 03/27/2003 5:43:47 PM PST by justshe (FREE MIGUEL !)
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To: justshe
B)Islam/Muslim is a recognized religion by this country. Like it or not....that's a fact.

What does it mean when our government "recognizes" a religion and which ones have been recognized? Where are the recognized religions or cults listed?

119 posted on 03/27/2003 5:43:58 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Amelia
Lair lair
Pants on fair
Hanging from
A telephone wier.
120 posted on 03/27/2003 5:45:00 PM PST by justshe (FREE MIGUEL !)
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