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SARS - Serious and Airborne No Matter What the Public is Told.
CDC Website ^ | March 26, 2003 | CDC

Posted on 03/29/2003 10:59:57 AM PST by Nov3

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To: Nov3
Given, as I understand it (from a forgotten expert or article in terms of ref),

that:

"the atmosphere/air is so thoroughly mixed, it is believed that every person that is alive, has breathed some part of the breath of every other person who has ever lived and is alive."

this disease could be a very serious problem--and an exceedingly stupid Chinese move--unless they've developed an antidote/vaccine etc. to protect themselves with.

21 posted on 03/29/2003 11:39:19 AM PST by Quix (QUALITY RESRCH STDY BTWN BK WAR N PEACE VS BIBLE RE BIBLE CODES AT MAR BIBLECODESDIGEST.COM)
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To: AbeLincoln
The 4% rate is based on there being lots of available hospital beds and ventilators.

Hopefully it won't get bad enough to overwhelm the the hospitals. Oh I think the 4% death rate depends on China accurately reporting the outcomes of their cases. I think that is highly doubtful.

22 posted on 03/29/2003 11:44:17 AM PST by Nov3
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To: AbeLincoln
Exactly! The facilities would become totally overloaded. Anti virals would deplete. It could be bad, especially for the elderly and very young.
23 posted on 03/29/2003 11:45:05 AM PST by Cold Heat (Negotiate!! Blam! "Now who else wants to negotiate?")
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To: wirestripper
It could be bad, especially for the elderly and very young.

It is killing healthy 30 year old men in hospital enviroments.

24 posted on 03/29/2003 11:46:29 AM PST by Nov3
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To: Nov3
It is killing healthy 30 year old men in hospital enviroments.

What really bothers me about this is that I've got a nasty chest cold right now. Got a little fever, a deep cough, and lots of bad stuff coming up when I cough. No different from the annual cold that I always seem to get, but its bothering me a little more since this SARS outbreak.

If I don't post tomorrow, you'll know what happened. And no, none of you are in my will. :^)

25 posted on 03/29/2003 11:51:20 AM PST by meyer
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To: Nov3
Yes, I know.

The death rate from this must be wrong due to lack of data from China.

26 posted on 03/29/2003 11:51:38 AM PST by Cold Heat (Negotiate!! Blam! "Now who else wants to negotiate?")
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To: meyer
LOL
27 posted on 03/29/2003 11:52:40 AM PST by Nov3
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To: meyer
Everyone seems to have what you describe. I do as well. The little SOB's are gone, but my allergies have taken over.
28 posted on 03/29/2003 11:53:41 AM PST by Cold Heat (Negotiate!! Blam! "Now who else wants to negotiate?")
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To: AAABEST
There are some natural anti-virals. One of the best is Oil of Oregano. It's potent, and for best results, taken sub-lingually (under the tongue). The first few seconds, you will think the top of your head is going to blow off, but after a minute or two, you have a really clean feeling in your mouth. Symptoms dissipate, has been my experience.

An Israeli virologist has a compound made up of elderberries, which has been proved to be another anti-viral, called Sambucol. I have seen FReepers' comments about Sambucol, that it is terrific in stomping out a cold or flu. I got two bottles on sale lately, and intend to use them if something like this breaks out.

Other than that, I will pray.

g

29 posted on 03/29/2003 12:10:11 PM PST by Geezerette (... but young at heart!)
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To: Nov3; Dog; AmericanInTokyo
This section:

Airframe Selection and Cabin Airflow

AMT service providers should consult manufacturer(s) of their aircraft to identify cabin airflow characteristics, including: HEPA filtration and directional airflow capabilities, air outlet location, presence or absence of air mixing between cockpit and patient-care cabin during flight, and the time and aircraft configuration required to perform a post-mission airing-out of the aircraft.

Aircraft with forward-to-aft cabin airflow (business to coach class) and a separate cockpit cabin are recommended for transport of SARS patients. The flight deck/cockpit crew in aircraft with forward-to-aft cabin airflow and separate patient-care compartment are not required to wear respirators unless they enter the patient-care compartment.

Aft-to-forward cabin airflow (coach to business class) may create a significant risk of airborne transmission to both cabin and flight deck personnel. If an aircraft with aft-to-forward airflow must be used, all personnel on board must wear fit-tested N-95 respirators throughout the flight.

This will seriously degrade transoceanic flight traffic but not address the root cause of the problem. Any passenger on an international flight with airborne disease is a risk well to themselve and others before the considering whether or not the aircraft has the "best" air handling equipment to minimize contamination.

This akin to discussing if a car owner should get their breaks adjusted when one of the passengers has a heart attack. The problem is not the airplane.

The airlines are flying airplanes not airborn hospitals. They never have and in this economic climate they will go out of business long before they ever will.

30 posted on 03/29/2003 12:11:27 PM PST by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: Nov3
What is your evidence that the airborne nature of SARS has ever been debated by anyone?
31 posted on 03/29/2003 12:12:01 PM PST by Jim Noble
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To: wirestripper
Everyone seems to have what you describe. I do as well. The little SOB's are gone, but my allergies have taken over.

Yeah, I hate the flu! I'm not really feeling too bad, though a little weak. Hopefully, improvement will start soon. I think I'm at the low point.

Anyway, Just took my asperin and I'm drinking iced tea and lemonade by the gallon. Doubled up the OJ as well. I am also goosing up my vitamin C intake, but only the 250 mg - I'm not a fan of megadoses. Its my non-professional opinion that the folks that benefit the most from megadoses are usually those that sell them (sorry, little extra rant there).

heck, I must be feeling a little better if I can rant again!

32 posted on 03/29/2003 12:20:27 PM PST by meyer
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To: Nov3
Many thanks for posting this. I'm facing corneal transplant May 7, a day surgery, and will send copy of this article to my ophthalmologist, as eye precautions are mentioned several times. Perhaps I'll postpone elective surgery until SARS goes away...
33 posted on 03/29/2003 12:23:20 PM PST by PoisedWoman (Fed up with the liberal media)
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To: wirestripper
I am one of the lucky one who survived scarlet fever.

Same here; I don't recall it being particularly awful, but then, my whole family took being frequently sick for granted in those years, and I didn't yet know any better when I was a kid.

Now for my standard soapbox rant (directed toward anybody who cares):

People, keep your immune systems strong! If you get colds or flu often (as in annually or more) and describe yourself as "healthy", that should be a BIG clue that you could be a lot healthier!

For starters, eat well! That means cut out whatever junk food you're addicted to, and for God's sake, stay out of all those places that serve fast food! Not only is "fast food" an oxymoron (it may fill you up, but it's crap nutritionally), but those morons they have working in back don't even care if they forget to wash after using the toilet or accidentally sneeze on your so-called "happy meal". Prepare as much of your food as you can yourself, from scratch when possible, using fresh ingredients. Include lots of fresh vegetables and fruits. Drink at least 4x as much water as your next favorite beverage.

If you're reasonably healthy to begin with, it is really not that difficult to become one of the few who don't get colds or flus 90+% of the times they're directly exposed, or have them last less than 2 days in the rare instances that they do get them. The major reason we remain "the few", IMHO, is that "the most" will not do the very simple things that it takes.

I used to have bad hayfever too, for 3 months out of every year, but now I can walk into a cloud of pollen and am not affected by it at all.

34 posted on 03/29/2003 12:42:41 PM PST by phroebe (FREE from colds, flus, allergies and ALL drugs)
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To: Nov3
CDC: Mystery illness spreads more easily than first thought

Yeah, no kidding.

CDC = Centers for Disease Control Coddling
35 posted on 03/29/2003 12:50:43 PM PST by Eric Cassano
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To: Nov3
The virus itself is untreatable. Completely.

Captain Trips.

36 posted on 03/29/2003 12:52:22 PM PST by Euro-American Scum
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To: Jim Noble
Do a search on the site. The airborne nature and general contagiousness were debated heavily in February and early March. It was said that significant personal contact was necessary.

That certainly is not the case.

37 posted on 03/29/2003 12:54:03 PM PST by Nov3
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To: PoisedWoman
I'm facing corneal transplant May 7, a day surgery, and will send copy of this article to my ophthalmologist, as eye precautions are mentioned several times. Perhaps I'll postpone elective surgery until SARS goes away...

Why are you getting the Cornea transplant? I had to have a cornea transplant as the result of a failed Lasik surgery in August 2001. I had just gotten home September 11.

38 posted on 03/29/2003 12:57:50 PM PST by Nov3
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To: phroebe
I have been following that advice. Actually, this cold that I got came from my son and was the first one I have had in a few years.

I cannot explain the hay-fever however. I have always had sinus problems, but as I age it seems to get worse. The pine tree pollen is ongoing now. It is so bad that everything turns yellow.

Everything!

39 posted on 03/29/2003 12:58:16 PM PST by Cold Heat (Negotiate!! Blam! "Now who else wants to negotiate?")
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To: phroebe
Same here; I don't recall it being particularly awful, but then, my whole family took being frequently sick for granted in those years, and I didn't yet know any better when I was a kid.

Now for my standard soapbox rant (directed toward anybody who cares):

I care!

People, keep your immune systems strong! If you get colds or flu often (as in annually or more) and describe yourself as "healthy", that should be a BIG clue that you could be a lot healthier!

I can tell you with a good deal of certainty that my propensity to catching a cold or the flu rises in direct proportion to the increasingly rare instances when I go out "clubbing". I don't get out much, but I was out last weekend with my freshly divorced friend. Tipped a few cold ones, got a headache. One week later, a nasty cold. Score: Beer - 1, Meyer - 0.

For starters, eat well! That means cut out whatever junk food you're addicted to, and for God's sake, stay out of all those places that serve fast food! Not only is "fast food" an oxymoron (it may fill you up, but it's crap nutritionally), but those morons they have working in back don't even care if they forget to wash after using the toilet or accidentally sneeze on your so-called "happy meal". Prepare as much of your food as you can yourself, from scratch when possible, using fresh ingredients. Include lots of fresh vegetables and fruits. Drink at least 4x as much water as your next favorite beverage.

I second the notion of using fresh foods as much as possible and minimizing the use of fast foods. Whole grains instead of refined flours (which are exceedingly hard to find). Plenty of fruits and veggies. Keep a glass of water handy all the time. Good advice in general.

If you're reasonably healthy to begin with, it is really not that difficult to become one of the few who don't get colds or flus 90+% of the times they're directly exposed, or have them last less than 2 days in the rare instances that they do get them. The major reason we remain "the few", IMHO, is that "the most" will not do the very simple things that it takes.

I don't know what the average is, but I tend to get a cold/flu kind of thing about once every year. Considering that we share phones and computers at work and people come to work sick all of the time, I don't think that's too bad. Still don't like it though. Disrupts everything.

I used to have bad hayfever too, for 3 months out of every year, but now I can walk into a cloud of pollen and am not affected by it at all.

My hay fever has subsided over the years, but I do still carry a very strong allergy to cats - it gives me asthma at times along with the runny nose/watery eyes. I have to limit my time spent with cats and I have to wash my hands every time I touch one.

40 posted on 03/29/2003 1:01:43 PM PST by meyer
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