Peshmerga Advance Towards Kirkuk (Turkey, Kurds)

ZAMAN ^ | 03-30-03 | editor

[a_Turk]

Ivan: We ought to tell the Turks, "sod off" - if the Iraqis fear the Kurds, so much the better. Turkey lost its say when it refused to allow American troops to open a second front from the north.

Travis: Let Turkey decide if it wants to go to war with America.

We know that we've had a good alliance.. But there have been a few occasions which have given us Turks reason to save a few notes of suspicion.

Ivan, why is it that while the UK had been a guaranteur of the independence of Cyprus, she made no noise in the face of Greek aggression and designs on that very independence? Also, why is it that London gave the PKK political cover? Even a broadcast lisence?

Travis, why is it that, even though we were supposed to be allies, the US blocked arms sales to Turkey to hamper her fight against terror during the 90s and is now doing business with people who harbor those terrorists? Also, why is it that the terror organization I mentioned was able to demonstrate for months across from our embassy in DC?

Lay down with dogs, get up with flees, guys.. Sorry to say...

[MadIvan]

Irrelevant. If Turkey wanted to ensure there was no such thing as an independent Kurdistan, they should have let the troops in. Now the Turkish government has no leverage whatsoever. We will do what victory demands, and damn the country or the individual (e.g., Chirac) that gets in the way.

Regards, Ivan

[a_Turk]

>> Irrelevant.

Hardly.

These things have a way of building up.

As far as leverage, that remains to be seen. We have a long way to go yet.

"Don't swing your legs before you mount the donkey."

[MadIvan]

As far as leverage, that remains to be seen. We have a long way to go yet.

Too late. Had you let the troops in, then there would be leverage. Now we have 70,000 Kurdish troops which can help open up the Northern front and will tear the Ba'athists to pieces, or we can "please" the Turkish government.

Anyone sensible will choose victory. I will take great pleasure in seeing the Kurds get their hands on Saddam's generals.

Ivan

[a_Turk]

Once Baghdad falls, Mosul, Kirkuk and Tikrit will just fold.

As for your newfound allies.. Their level of discipline is sure to embarras you, should you decide to use them.

As far as leverage, that remains to be seen. We have a long way to go yet.

[RobbyS]

The Turks have forces in Iraq and more on the boder. That is leverage. I don't think they want the fields: just the oil coming from them.

[a_Turk]

>> I don't think they want the fields: just the oil coming from them.

Stealing the fields would violate the Lausanne treaty..

[eleni121]

Turks Protest Against and Threaten America after Taking Billions

[RobbyS]

More to the point, they don't need physically to possess the fields, anymore than we need to possess the fields in Mexico and Canada--or Iraq.

[a_Turk]

>> What a third world hell hole!

That was the intent of the movie..

It's actually pretty nice.

There are similar movies about the USA circulating in Arabia..

[a_Turk]

It has always been the position of Turkey that the fields should remain property of a unified Irak. If there's a free-for-all, Turkey suggests she'll insert herself.

[TLI]

HEY !
That guy in the middle swiped my "guess the name of the operation" pick, "operation Bushfire"


Must be a lurker...
(whadda pri¢k!)

[xm177e2]

Only time will tell.

It's not as if they have so many other great options. They're our friends, and they have no choice in the matter.

[a_Turk]

>> They're our friends, and they have no choice in the matter.

Well, being from that part of the world, I choose not to count on the locals being rational thinkers.

Maybe the Kurds are the only rational people in the whole neighborhood.. That might be a possibility..

[xm177e2]

Maybe the Kurds are the only rational people in the whole neighborhood.. That might be a possibility..

As Samuel Johnson said, "Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully." The Iraqi Kurds don't have the luxury of taking to flights of fancy.

[truth_seeker]

"Turkey has warned that it will intervene in northern Iraq in the event that the Kurdish peshmerga enter Mosul and Kirkuk."

Aren't the Kurds herein mentioned, Iraqi citizens? Aren't they effectively a militia force, warring against the forces of their oppressing dictator?

That being so, I'd classify their actions to be in alliance with the US led coalition, which has stated objective to keep intact Iraq's territorial integrity (keep present national borders).

If Turkey crosses over the border, to interfere, it is going against the US led coalition's objectives.

It would make matters very complex, to say the least. I cannot see a case for Turkey having ANY claim over Kirkuk, for it is part of Iraq.

Is Turkey playing poker with the Texan? Others have played, and lost.

[Citizen of the Savage Nation]

Ok, I'll bite. Why exactly are the Kurds in Turkey throwing eggs and tomatoes at US troops?

[truth_seeker]

"It has always been the position of Turkey that the fields should remain property of a unified Irak. If there's a free-for-all, Turkey suggests she'll insert herself."

Well they have been part of unified Iraq, and retaining that is the stated objective of the US led coalition, which Turkey has effectively obstructed.

Are you trying to say that Turkey intends to "insert herself" insofar as further obstructing the US led coalition, and its stated objective of maintaining a unified Iraq.

As one of the largest aid recipients, Turkey has already inflicted severe strain, to its relationship with the US. Pissing off one's benefactor isn't wise.

It sure isn't doing itself any more good, by implied (or real) threats. I know Turks aren't arabs, but I'm beginning to learn that their mental functions may bear a close relationship.

Maybe it is an islamic disability, which crosses racial lines.

A far more wise position would have been for Turkey to assist the US led coalition, with the quid pro quo of maintaining Iraq territorial integrity. The US would have honored such a deal.

Turkey isn't in such a great position to be making threats, now that they have betrayed the US. The best outcome for Turkey to redeem herself, would be to stop obstructing and threatening, and to start cooperating.

[a_Turk]

>> Ok, I'll bite.

Heck if I know..