[Zionist Conspirator]

Did I flag everybody?

::Sigh:: It's always sumpn'.

As a Noachide I grow extremely tired of the replaying of the same old song over and over again--Jews representing "freedom of conscience" and chr*stians representing objective religious truth that transcends all other concerns. Maybe it's time that Jews cut the "pluarsims" crap and started speaking the language of religious objectivity?

I am a non-Jew who believes that the Torah is the Absolute Objective Truth. Where do I fit in in this little dialogue? Nowhere apparently. I believe praying to J*sus or anyone else other than to the True G-d is wrong--not in a sense of insensitivity, but an act of idolatry. But is anyone going to inject that position? No. It's always liberal Jews vs. pious chr*stians. Judaism always gets cast in the role of the advocate of religious subjectivism while chr*stianity represents simple truth. What a chillul HaShem.

Because of the very nature of religion no sincere chr*stian, however pro-Jewish, can in good conscience not pray to the Nazarene. It doesn't matter how politically incorrect it is or how much trouble it causes, they must put their religion first just as everyone must. I don't defend idolatrous prayer, but I do understand that the "pluralism argument" is sheer poppycock, however embedded it is in our American (enlightenment/Jeffersonian) consciousness.

Instead of demanding that chr*stians stop praying to J*sus in the name of "tolerance" and "pluarlism" (which two things are totally irrelevant anyway), why not tell them the Truth--that J*sus isn't G-d and that it is forbidden to pray to him or to any other entity other than HaShem? I realize Jews haven't been in a position to do this for most of two millenia, but that is no excuse in this day and age.

I will gladly support Theocratic legislation against praying to J*sus. However, anti-J*sus legislation based on the theory that J*sus represents the "reactionary" concept of Objective Religious Truth (and the concomitant implication that Judaism is opposed to Objective Religious Truth) is absolutely blasphemous. Once again Jews are cast in the role of opposition, not to false religion, but to religion per se. How tiresome this grows.

I wish some of you on the two conventional sides of this issue would put yourselves for just a moment in the shoes of a Noachide. If you're really that "tolerant" it shouldn't be that hard for you!

[sauropod]

You sir, are misled.

Jesus is LORD and part of the Trinity. The Old Testament and the New Testament are not two separate books but parts of the same organism.

I reject your argument entirely.

[katnip]

I am curious. Since you don't believe that Jesus is G-d why do you give His written name what seems to be the same honor?

Why don't you consider yourself Jewish?

Thanks.

[Nachum]

I greatly respect your position as a righteous gentile. My only obesrvation is that it would probably be proper to ask what the law proscribes in such an event.

I think that it is probably the case that since this country is not a "Jewish" country, halacha does not require one to publicly argue with religious leaders from other faiths.

Matter of fact, there is a great deal of debate amongst Jewish legal authorities whether it is halachly permissable for a non-Jew to worship as a Christian. Unfortunately, on those issues that really matter, such as the defense of Jews in Israel, Jews have halachly erred far more greatly in current action than the public debate over this issue here in America. It is hard for me to get worked up about all this.

[lsee]

I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Matthew 10:32 "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven."