Pravda: Rumsfeld Compares Lenin to Hitler

Pravda ^ | 2003-04-10 | Timothy BANCROFT-HINCHEY

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Donald Rumsfeld today proclaimed that Saddam Hussein will join others in the annals of the history books as a failed dictator, naming "Hitler, Stalin, Lenin and Ceausescu".

For Donald Rumsfeld's information, Vladimir Ulyanov came to power on a message of "bread and peace", setting in motion a process which was to bring a Medieval state to the front line of development and give to an oppressed, illiterate population with a near to zero chance of social mobility every opportunity for a good education, a guaranteed job, house, retirement pension, food, vodka, health care and cultural and sports opportunities second to none.

Vladimir Ulyanov set in motion a process which sees the Russian people today as well or better prepared than their peers abroad to perform any job anywhere on earth.

Vladimir Ulyanov set in motion the mechanism to create the Soviet Union, which heroically defeated the fascist forces of Hitler, who Rumsfeld mentions in the same breath as Lenin, which lost 20,000,000 of its souls and whose armed forces, under Stalin, who Rumsfeld also mentions in the same breath, killed 90% of all German soldiers in the war.

That everything was not perfect in Vladimir Ulyanov's Russia is patently clear. However, to compare him to Hitler is wholly inappropriate and demonstrates a degree of arrogance and ignorance shocking in a person at the political level which Rumsfeld has somehow attained.

At least Vladimir Ulyanov did not flout international law and launch a murderous campaign against a sovereign nation, massacring civilians, leaving women and children without limbs. Maybe Rumsfeld forgot to add Bush to the list. For Rumsfeld's information, Lenin was Vladimir Ulyanov's pseudonym.

If Rumsfeld compares Lenin to Hitler, maybe we should compare Bush to Genghis Khan and Rumsfeld himself to Jabba the Hutt.

[Mr. Jeeves]

Notice the author's name - not a Russian but probably a British Communist. The Cult of Lenin persists to this day.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

I compare Pravda to the Iraqi Information Minister, Baghdad Bob.

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[King David]

Oh give me a break. Something about the expression of "splitting hairs" comes to mind.

They were all BAD GUYS, alright? Is that better?

[Cincinatus]

the Soviet Union, which heroically defeated the fascist forces of Hitler, who Rumsfeld mentions in the same breath as Lenin, which lost 20,000,000 of its souls and whose armed forces, under Stalin,

Of which 19 million were killed directly by Stalin himself.

Stupid commies are still with us -- here and there.

[kesg]

What a hoot!

[ecomcon]

Wanker.

[js1138]

What's wrong with comparing Lenin to Hitler?

[dighton]

He's perhaps the dreariest of Pravda's dreary lot.

[ModelBreaker]

The only thing wrong about Rumsfield's statement is that he failed to include Mao Tse Tung--probably a more hideous butcher than any of the others.

[Trailerpark Badass]

That everything was not perfect in Vladimir Ulyanov's Russia is patently clear.

Is this what they call "typical British understatement?"

[Hacksaw]

As a history graduate (and employed as a software programmer:) ) I would have to say that Lenin did not compare to Hitler. Stalin certainly did - but he was not thoroughly defeated in a war, so that is why he is not compared so much with Hitler. But Lenin was Mickey Mouse compared to Stalin. Stalin would maroon entire villages on islands in Siberia, not to mention the purges, the forced famine, and the liquidation of the Kulaks.

Stalin IMO, was what Hitler would have become had he won WW2. Lenin was an idealist and even allowed (very) limited capitalism when it appeared the Bolshevik Revolution was not exactly proceeding according to plans. Stalin was a hard core realist - kill anyone who could get in the way.

[ladtx]

The Reds are getting a little touchy aren't they?

[BlueLancer]

"At least Vladimir Ulyanov did not flout international law and launch a murderous campaign against a sovereign nation, massacring civilians, leaving women and children without limbs."

Poland, Ukraine, Byelorussia, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland?

Not to mention all of those murdered within Russia itself.

[WaveThatFlag]

Admittedly, this same paper had a feature on UFOs earlier this week.

[Hacksaw]

At least Vladimir Ulyanov did not flout international law and launch a murderous campaign against a sovereign nation, massacring civilians, leaving women and children without limbs.

Which doesn't seem to mention the invasion of Hungary and Afghanistan by the Soviets.

[BlueLancer]

"Lenin was an idealist and even allowed (very) limited capitalism when it appeared the Bolshevik Revolution was not exactly proceeding according to plans."

And took it away again as soon as the situation improved ... with the associated massacre of those who participated and were successful in it.

[peeve23]

Vladimir Ulyanov set in motion the mechanism to create the Soviet Union, which heroically defeated the fascist forces of Hitler, who Rumsfeld mentions in the same breath as Lenin, which lost 20,000,000 of its souls and whose armed forces, under Stalin, who Rumsfeld also mentions in the same breath, killed 90% of all German soldiers in the war

Horse Puckey.

America was busy fighting Japan all the while the Russian Winter and Hitler's bad decisions were killing Germans. Russian didn't have to worry about Japan for the entire war.

Then, America took N.Africa and Italy from the Germans before they landed at Normandy and decimated the Germans in an 11 month European campaign.

We might mention that Stalin was Hitler's henchman until Hitler got greedy. They were in the same bed. Two socialists; two animals.

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

At least Vladimir Ulyanov did not flout international law and launch a murderous campaign against a sovereign nation, massacring civilians, leaving women and children without limbs.

Naw, he had plenty of civilians of his own to kill at the time.  But even at that, I'm pretty sure that most Finns would disagree with Lenin's regard for international law.