An un-American conservative

Jerusalem Post ^ | Apr. 13, 2003 | IRVING LOUIS HOROWITZ

[Howlin]

I thought Pat already HAD a spot on MSNBC to trash Bush from. :-)

[ex-snook]

Buchanan on MSNBC Buchanan rides to the sound of the guns

"The president of the United States did indeed speak last night. He said Saddam Hussein and his sons have 48 hours to get out of town, and, if they don’t, we’re going to take them down and take down the regime.

So, that’s what’s coming, upcoming, folks. And when that happens and when Americans go into battle, it seems to me that the right thing to do for patriots, when American lives are at risk and Americans are dying, is to unite behind the troops until victory is won.

Now, on BUCHANAN & PRESS, we’ve had a good debate for eight months on this conflict, ever since last July. We’ve had pacifists and super hawks and doves. But now it seems, when the war comes, the debate ends, at least temporarily, until victory is achieved and the Americans march into Baghdad, when the debate will open again as to where we go from there.

But, for right now, I think we back our troops, and that means all of them. And that includes, for this writer certainly, and I hope for many of us, the commander in chief, because, after all, he is our leader in this war.

I think unity is essential at this time, or at least when the guns begin to fire."

[TomB]

How's this?

Could be better, but I'll try:

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Gosh, they are way ahead of me :o)
MSNBC knows what they are doing, and how helpful of them to expose those who clai to be conservatives, who are not.
So, where are all the anti-Iraq war folks who spouted off on here that Bush was wrong? Where are they now? Maybe I should ping a few...

growl

[RedBloodedAmerican]

clai = claim.
Someone at my m!

[yonif]

Ping.

[rmlew]

Typical screed from a man who has no argument. Anytime anyone disagres with him call him "un-American." Pretty slimy.

Considering that Pat questions the patriotism of his opponents all the time, turnabout is fair play.

[gcruse]

Truly wise men don't see conspiracies (Jewish or otherwise) every time America's interests are at stake; it is intellectually lazy (and dishonest) to do so.

Amen.  :)

[2nd Amendment]

agreed! I lost all respect for Pat after he tried to throw his votes to Gore. The only consistant theme for him and Novak is lack of support for Israel!

[Tribune7]

I used to like Buchanan. Hey, I'll give credit where credit is due. Without Pat on the ballot in Palm Beach, it would be President Algore.

[Poohbah]

If you see America as 1930's Germany then get out while you can.

No, I'm saying that 1920s Germany didn't see itself as ever electing Hitler.

Hell, the Communist bloc in 1987 didn't see itself falling apart in 1989.

I don't see us electing Buchanan et al.

But I could be very wrong.

Anyone trying to predict the future is taking the short end of a very long bet.

[dogbyte12]

Well, since the whack job leftists who take votes from democrats are called the Greens, couldn't the whack job paleos who follow Buchanan be called the Browns?

There is a certain symmetry there.

[petitfour]

Hitler was wayyyyyyyyyyyy before my time, and I attended public schools, so I may have missed something. Didn't Hitler come to power and then try to take over Europe. Does anyone see Pat Buchanan as someone who would try to take over Europe or North and South America or the Middle East or whatever? Does anyone think that Pat Buchanan would attempt to rid the US of all non Caucasians?????

I don't. And I'm not a PJB follower by any means. I never thought that he had a shot at the presidency.

[Poohbah]

Hitler was wayyyyyyyyyyyy before my time, and I attended public schools, so I may have missed something.

Didn't Hitler come to power and then try to take over Europe.

Yes. BTW, you should end questions with a question mark. (Must be that public schooling :o)

Does anyone see Pat Buchanan as someone who would try to take over Europe or North and South America or the Middle East or whatever?

If I lived in Canada, I would be very nervous about a Buchananite presidency.

Does anyone think that Pat Buchanan would attempt to rid the US of all non Caucasians?????

At some point, his ideology needs a readily-identified focus of hatred. Non-Caucasians would work nicely.

[Ebenezer]

"Which conservative thinkers or leaders are you referring to?"

The list can be endless: National Review, The Weekly Standard, The American Spectator, talk-radio show hosts, columnists, the conservative wing of the Republican Party.

[american spirit]

I'd sure like to see you point out a few examples of all this "hatred" that supposedly eminates from Buchanan. The more I read of this thread I see more evidence of some sort of twisted logic that characterizes someone as a hatemonger who wants to protect our borders, our children from the fedgov education behemoth, our industries from slave labor capitalism, our tax base from a flood of people who we now pay to feed, house, medicate and educate so that businesses can have all this "cheap labor" (thus EVADING a whole lot of payroll taxes). The biggest problem we have right now is that so many followers of the mainstream media orthodoxy are so petrified that someone like Buchanan could possibly be correct in his views that they will go to any length to demonize him with subtle Hitlerian and white supremacist references....it's the sign of mounting desperation.

[Poohbah]

If it's all a media plot to "demonize" Buchanan with Hitlerian references...

...why is he actively assisting them by his own comments?

[AppyPappy]

Yup Buchanan has lifted himself on his own petard.

[Poohbah]

Yup Buchanan has lifted himself on his own petard.

And that usually smarts :o)

[american spirit]

Didn't say anything about media plots, it's just obvious that when those in the media or otherwise cannot bring themselves to debate at length the pros and cons of various policy debates it's convenient to resort to the aforementioned references.