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The newest war hawks (women)
U.S. News ^ | 05/05/03 | Gloria Borger

Posted on 04/26/2003 8:51:20 PM PDT by Pokey78

Let's start with some basic assumptions: By and large, women do not like the idea of war. They do not play war as children; they do not promote war as adults; as mothers and wives, they do not like to send their families to fight. And now, they fear war as soldiers themselves. In fact, for the past two decades it has always been a good bet that Democrats could count on women to applaud when they complained about those warmongering Republicans. Remember Ronald Reagan's huge gender gap? He wanted to build more nukes while cutting money for school lunches. The nuclear freeze movement was born. Women signed up in droves.

Now life has changed. Thanks to terrorists with shoe bombs, anthrax in envelopes, and toxins in vials, the gender gap is shrinking fast. In two short years, there has been a meld of political thinking, particularly among women: National security is now a domestic policy issue. Homeland security is home security. Wars in Afghanistan or Iraq affect the street--and not the Arab street but the neighborhood streets. Terrorist alerts go up and down, children practice bomb drills at school, mothers worry about smallpox vaccinations. And women know that after this war, there could be another one. Or another terrorist attack. Or both. "The Pentagon is now the defense department, not the war department," says pollster Andrew Kohut, who charts a graph he calls "mothers for missile defense." It's on the upswing.

It's not that the economy and education don't matter. Of course they do: Women, like men, still consider the economy a top priority. But terrorism and national security issues are right behind it, and women are driving the shift, polls show. "Women are practical voters, and they don't have a lot of time," Mary Matalin, a former top adviser to the vice president, told me. "They don't dance on the head of a pin, either. This stuff hits very close to home. It's not fanciful. Now it's about family, and family safety." Women are more nervous than men, and they're not shy about admitting it. A recent Gallup survey noted a 21-point "fear gap" between men and women. No macho here--just real fear.

To arms. This is obviously a post-9/11 phenomenon. Consider: A Gallup Poll taken one week before the Gulf War in 1991 found that only 45 percent of women supported the attack, compared with 67 percent of men. Fast-forward to recent Iraq-war polls, which show the support of women at generally 50 percent; a recent Pew survey has the support at 61 percent. The Gulf War was about an Iraqi invasion of Kuwait; the Iraq war is about a possible invasion of weapons of mass destruction at home. Sure, women are no monolith. Older and younger women were least likely to support the war. But 6 out of 10 middle-aged women support the war, according to Pew polling. The soccer moms have taken up arms.

None of this is good news for the Democrats, who have been split on the war in Iraq. In the past, Democrats could count on women, big-time. (George Bush the elder, in fact, at first trailed Michael Dukakis with women by about a dozen points.) It's not that the Democrats have lost most women on their key issues, because they haven't. Concern about healthcare? Yes. About prescription drug benefits for the elderly? Sure. About jobs and the economy? Of course. But now the matter of personal security is lingering out there, and it is potent because it is values based: Just as concern about education is all about family and children, concern about national security is all about personal safety and security. "Women never want to go through this again," says GOP pollster David Winston. "They're looking for solutions."

Democrats are fighting an uphill battle. When it comes to matters of national security, voters are predisposed to trust Republicans by a 2-to-1 margin. Smart Democrats will stop dividing the political world into the Domestic Economy and Everything Else. They will understand, as women do, that national security is a domestic matter now. And that can cut both ways. The party that stops whining about the problems with homeland security and fixes it will get due credit. If the administration doesn't live up to its promises about personal safety, it will suffer.

During the Reagan years, the question was, "Are you better off today than you were four years ago?" This time around, women will ask, "Do you feel safer today than you did four years ago?" They want the right answer.


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1 posted on 04/26/2003 8:51:21 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
Sure we play war; it goes something like this:

'you're fat';

'your nose looks like a pig's nose';

'your feet are too big';

'my Mom's prettier than your Mom';

'my father's richer than your's'.

We declare victory when our enemy develops an eating disorder.

2 posted on 04/26/2003 8:57:28 PM PDT by AlbionGirl (A kite flies highest against the wind, not with it. - Winston Churchill)
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To: Pokey78
That settles it, then.


3 posted on 04/26/2003 9:00:47 PM PDT by Nick Danger (The liberals are slaughtering themselves at the gates of the newsroom)
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To: AlbionGirl
But sometimes before the eating disorder develops, the nails come out and the hair gets pulled.
4 posted on 04/26/2003 9:07:02 PM PDT by reformed_dem (For office use only)
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To: reformed_dem
Well true, but that's only if everything goes as planned.
5 posted on 04/26/2003 9:08:07 PM PDT by AlbionGirl (A kite flies highest against the wind, not with it. - Winston Churchill)
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To: Pokey78
Lot of truth there, IMO.
My mother is 73 and can't think of ANY war that was worth losing an American life over.
Last time I called Mom, she said,"Why is Bush backing down on Syria? I want him right on that border saying 'Now, you people mind your business!'
(rather hawkish for my dovish Mom)


6 posted on 04/26/2003 9:30:19 PM PDT by Susannah
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To: Pokey78
"Why do the young men march off to war?

Because the young women are watching..."
7 posted on 04/26/2003 9:33:35 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: reformed_dem; AlbionGirl
Well, when I was a girl, we played war-- but it wasn't much fun. The girls were either the Germans or the Indians. It's nice to grow up and finally be on the winning team!
8 posted on 04/26/2003 9:41:07 PM PDT by walden
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To: walden
Hey, I remember playing cowboys and indians with my 2 older brothers. It seems that I was always the indian and they always tied me up.
9 posted on 04/26/2003 9:51:31 PM PDT by reformed_dem (For office use only)
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To: reformed_dem
Not me, I was always the bartender at the Saloon, pouring shot glasses of Coke and geting PO'd because I couldn't shoot the BB guns!
10 posted on 04/26/2003 9:56:00 PM PDT by annyokie
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To: Nick Danger
I wonder if America's Women are wondering:


.."IS it SAFE?" = HILLARY on Armed Services Committee..

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=629
11 posted on 04/26/2003 10:09:55 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: Nick Danger
Heh.
12 posted on 04/26/2003 10:43:47 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Pokey78
For years, we have been told that we must think a certain way, that because we are women, we are naturally liberal democrats. Nine-eleven opened some eyes; the breaking of the liberal media monopoly has opened more. Many women who have believed all the propaganda (woman=liberal democrat) have really been conservative all along, and are now discovering the truth about themselves. Women who have previously fallen for the anti-military propaganda have now been shocked into reflecting upon what the military is all about, and cannot, upon logical consideration, be "doves" any more.

Furthermore, the idea that the Democrats "own" the economy has always been false, and more women are realizing it.

Last, the idea that all women think alike (and are naturally liberals) is obscene and offensive. Saying that women act strictly on emotion is tantamount to saying that women are too stupid to be able to think anything through.
13 posted on 04/26/2003 11:21:01 PM PDT by exDemMom (W in '04)
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear
Pingpingping!
14 posted on 04/26/2003 11:31:00 PM PDT by Rose in RoseBear (HHD [... for later perusal ...])
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To: AlbionGirl
Let's not forget that girls have always been good at coalition building.
Coalition building goes something like this: I'll play with you, if you promise not play with the pig nosed fat girl with the ugly mom.
15 posted on 04/26/2003 11:32:51 PM PDT by rainingred
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To: Susannah
Not mine! She's really hawkish. But she knows what the consequences and complications that can come from war. She's been married and engaged two three servicemen in the past. Her dad(my grandpa),her older brother, 3-4 brothers-in-law, nephews, friends, etc... were military men.

She's been surrounded by military all her life. She's not necessarily hostile about the people of enemy countries; just the leaders. She did say something like your mom did especially about Saddam, and people of his administration, particularly Tariq Azziz.

She was really happy they caught Tariq Azziz. In the past,whenever he came on the screen on the news shows, she'd have a fit, just listening to him! I'd swear if she could've, she'd have climbed through the screen, and kicked his butt around, or worse! (laugh)
16 posted on 04/26/2003 11:49:44 PM PDT by dsutah
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To: Pokey78
Maybe a better title would be ---

Soccer Moms turn into Hockey Moms

17 posted on 04/27/2003 12:40:12 AM PDT by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
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To: All
I am a Mom, with a little daughter, ( very nearly 11 years old in just a couple weeks!) and she is my wealth, and the joy of my life.

My daughter has some problems as she is mildly autistic. It does not handicap her much, but some concepts are hard for her, and she struggles in school.

Mostly her problems are social, and there are HUGE parts of society that she just doesn't "get" and she can't interact with. Given today's society and the propaganda that exists, I have come to regard her "handicap" as a blessing. She remains innocent, sweet, kind, and as I say, the joy of my life.

9/11 had a HUGE impact on all of us here at the house, and while she misses some things, my daughter was quick to pick up the implications of what was going on.

It literally hurts my soul to think that there are people out there who would beat her, rape her, sell her into slavery, make her wear a bag over her head, stifle her laughter, her singing , her dancing, all because she is female, and worse yet, an Infidel.

As a result, I am VERY MUCH FOR this war on Islamofascism

Furthermore, I think any decent mother who knows what the enemy is like and what teh facts are would be!

We talk about the war a lot, my daughter and I .

For a time after 9/11, she was having nightmares and was worried that osama himself would come for her. That first week I was literally having to do a sweep of her room for a time to be sure that terrorists weren't hiding in the closet before she would go to sleep.

I have made sure that she knows that her Daddy and Uncles will protect us, and that her Mom is a fair shot and that we will never let her fall to that.

The nightmares have long since stopped

We continue to talk, about the war in Iraq, about Saddam, about the troops, ( strong Army ties here!) and President Bush. ( I download pics of him and the troops for her and she would love to meet Mr. Bush someday!) We talk about Good and Evil and why people do what they do.

We have begun talking about other wars, other times and places, and other "Bad Guys" like Hitler.

My daughter misses some things, but she gets what this war is about, can tell Evil when she sees it, and is proud to be an American. She knows what side she is on and why.

I am for this war, primarily because I AM a woman and a mother.

Tia

18 posted on 04/27/2003 6:32:34 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: reformed_dem
Hey, I remember playing cowboys and indians with my 2 older brothers. It seems that I was always the indian and they always tied me up.

LOL, me too! Only I played with the 2 boys down the block (no brothers). Like you, I was always the Indian, usually caught and tied to the swingset with the jump rope.

I finally got revenge once when my uncle's German Shepherd dog misunderstood the situation and went after one of the boys after he had tied me up. The kid lost the seat of his jeans that day ::lol::.

LQ

19 posted on 04/27/2003 7:14:10 AM PDT by LizardQueen
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To: rainingred
You are so right. The only thing I would add is that the coaltion building never really stops. Is it possible for a woman to be misogynistic? In the aggregate, I love men but I'm not so fond of women.
20 posted on 04/27/2003 7:17:34 AM PDT by AlbionGirl (A kite flies highest against the wind, not with it. - Winston Churchill)
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