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The Man of Virtues Has a Vice (Bill Bennett gambles)
Newsweek ^ | 1/2/03 | Jonathan Alter and Joshua Green

Posted on 05/02/2003 1:27:57 PM PDT by Callahan

May 2 — In his best-selling anthology, “The Book of Virtues,” William J. Bennett writes: “We should know that too much of anything, even a good thing, may prove to be our undoing…[We] need to set definite boundaries on our appetites.”

DOES BENNETT? The popular author, lecturer and Republican Party activist speaks out, often indignantly, about almost every moral issue except one-gambling. It’s not hard to see why. According to casino documents, Bennett is a “preferred customer” in at least four venues in Atlantic City and Las Vegas, betting millions of dollars over the last decade. His games of choice: video poker and slot machines, some at $500 a pull. With a revolving line of credit of at least $200,000 at each casino, Bennett, former drug czar and Secretary of Education under Presidents Reagan and Bush, doesn’t have to bring money when he shows up at a casino.

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KEYWORDS: bennett; gambling; williamjbennett
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To: Callahan
Tell Bennett to come live in Wisconsin, our Liberal Govenor will kiss him on the lips !! Our budget is in trouble..we need his help.
401 posted on 05/03/2003 9:49:21 AM PDT by Neenah
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To: Jhoffa_
You must have missed the discussion of the odds on video poker.
402 posted on 05/03/2003 10:02:28 AM PDT by moneyrunner (I have not flattered its rank breath, nor bowed to its idolatries a patient knee.)
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To: MattAMiller
"It's my observation that the people who complain the most about "moralists" come from very religous homes. For all their talk of having risen loftly above "primitive" religion, still feel hell at their heels and just don't like being remined of it."

Excellent observation. The need to justify their decision.

403 posted on 05/03/2003 10:07:33 AM PDT by moneyrunner (I have not flattered its rank breath, nor bowed to its idolatries a patient knee.)
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To: Callahan
William Bennett's choice of how he likes to spend his money is really not any of our business. Obviously, he has plenty to waste on the slots and video poker and cigarettes at $4/pack. From his girth, I doubt he eats at McDonalds, either.

I must confess that I was at one time a fan of Bill Bennett's. That was when he was the education czar, before his true colors had been put on public display. I thought for a little while we would see the demise of federal control of public education as Reagan had promised in his 1980 canpaign. Bill Bennett looked like the person who could see it through.

Then, when he became the nation's first drug czar and we got to see firsthand how he would impose virtue on citizens whose problems were beyond their personal control, the real Bill Bennett emerged. His hypocrisy is less worrisome than the fact that he, along with many other well-respected Republicans, has a near-total disregard for the Constitutional restraints on federal power.

If gambling -- a more serious vice, IMHO, than puffing on a weed that grows wild in many parts of the nation -- is left up to the states to decide if it should be legal, and how it is to be regulated, then why not other things that get people in trouble, like prostitution, drinking and smoking pot? Surely the federal government has its hands full fighting wars, deciding who is or is not eligible to immigrate to this country, and trying to keep the dollar weak enough that our exports will some day balance our imports. Fighting vice seems like something the states could handle better, and certainly should have the exclusive power to do under the Constitution. But then who in office has any respect for that old piece of paper they swore an oath to uphold and defend?

Most people who recognize the name will think first of The Book of Virtues before they think of the sad history of the War on Drugs which Bennett was in effect a general in. They will see the hypocrisy, which is most likely why MSNBC and Newsweek gave this story coverage.

But many will not understand that a legal vice, such as gambling, can be overcome with a supportive family and friends that care. Getting over drug addiction, on the other hand, brings law enforcement into the picture unless the person is able to pay for the Betty Ford Clinic. You get busted, you go to jail. If Bill Bennett and Newt Gingrich had their way, you'd be executed for selling the stuff. Not very compassionate, are they?

So expect Rush Limbaugh to line up in Bill Bennett's defense tomorrow. Blame the messenger, blame Newsweek, blame Jonathan Alder, blame the Democrats that run New Joisey and haven't put a limit on how much a gambler can drop in a slot machine. And, of course, he'll remind his listeners that the liberal media has been out to get Bill Bennett all along because of his stand for morality and family values, blah, blah, blah.

The best defence is a good offense, they say.

Don't expect for Rush Limbaugh to bring up the unpleasant subjects of personal responsibility, freedom to do what you like without harming others, or -- heaven forbid -- why gambling isn't controlled by the federal government.

And don't expect any of his callers to touch on those areas either, lest it lead to a discussion such as we are having here.

404 posted on 05/03/2003 10:28:50 AM PDT by logician2u
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To: moneyrunner
My ex works in a casino..

She says slots are some of the worst odds there. Video poker isn't great either.

She says the passline in craps is the odds in the place.

405 posted on 05/03/2003 10:32:47 AM PDT by Jhoffa_ (Sammy to Frodo: "Get out. Go sleep with one of your whores!")
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To: logician2u
On Drudge today
406 posted on 05/03/2003 11:02:40 AM PDT by toothseaquer
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To: toothseaquer
Apparently an old news article from Drudge.

Virtue may be its own reward, but cold, hard cash never hurts. Moralcrat Bill Bennett wandered into a Las Vegas casino after giving one of his standard America-is-going-to-hell-in-a-handbasket speeches, when bingo, the Book of Virtues author hit the jackpot. A sheepish Bennett wouldn't say how much he won ($60,000, says a friend) or how long he played, but did want to explain: "I'm against state expansion of gambling, state advertising encouraging people to gamble, and gambling as a way to make a living. But adults on their own time...," etc., etc. Proceeds went to charity.

407 posted on 05/03/2003 11:04:11 AM PDT by toothseaquer
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To: Jhoffa_
I'll take the word of the guy who made the machines to the word of your ex.

Not to disparage your ex, mind you. Probably a wonderful, warm, funny, intelligent, faithful gal.

Love and peace.

408 posted on 05/03/2003 11:14:33 AM PDT by moneyrunner (I have not flattered its rank breath, nor bowed to its idolatries a patient knee.)
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To: moneyrunner
I hate to point this out, but:

1) There are probably numerous video poker machines.. Numerous types from numerous vendors.

2) I bet you can adjust the odds, as you can with a slot machine. (there's a microcontroller in there, don't be fooled into thinking it's merely spinning wheels with ratchet mechanisms. No-no.)

I am not sure if this is a backhanded insult, but if it is.. I certainly don't deserve it.

409 posted on 05/03/2003 11:18:34 AM PDT by Jhoffa_ (Sammy to Frodo: "Get out. Go sleep with one of your whores!")
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To: Interesting Times; The Shrew; DoughtyOne; Skeet; abner
We should have had Bennett at FRiva last year.....lol!
410 posted on 05/03/2003 11:28:08 AM PDT by diotima (FR/FRN SUPPORTS OUR TROOPS!!!!!!!!)
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To: Biblebelter
I actively trade the stock market and I believe it is a form of gambling.

There are 2 different issues here. The stock market was originally devised as a perfectly legitimate method of raising money for companies and providing value measurements and liquidity to the investors. But there has always been a tendency to turn it into raw speculation. For example, with things like day trading.

If you are Warren Buffet who only buys stocks in companies that he believes will grow quickly and produce increasing streams of profits, and you buy significant shares of these companies as a percentage of your own portfolio and as a percentage of the company's market cap, then you are not speculating, you are investing. But if you are watching the minute-by-minute, day-by-day ups and downs of stocks for which you only know the ticker symbol and aren't even sure what business the company is in, then you are gambling, just like being in Las Vegas.

It's also worthwhile to remember that Wall Street takes a "house cut" just as substantial as Las Vegas. The "overhead" costs will kill you if you aren't lucky when you're gambling on Wall Street, as opposed to investing. That's why in the classic book on Wall St. investing (whose title I momentarily forget), on the first page he takes you to the harbor in Manhattan and shows you all the yachts belonging to the brokers and reminds you that there are precious few that belong to the "investors."

411 posted on 05/03/2003 12:37:44 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: BrooklynGOP
It's his business what he does with his $$$, is it not? AGAIN it is the junkie's money too or the alcoholic's. They are not spending taxpayer's money either. So why did bennett persecute them?
412 posted on 05/03/2003 12:54:25 PM PDT by RWG
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To: diotima
Maybe he'll let us use his line of credit..
413 posted on 05/03/2003 1:05:46 PM PDT by Interesting Times
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To: RWG
I have no argument there.
414 posted on 05/03/2003 1:30:36 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: stevem99
"If Bennett believes that gambling is not a problem, why does Empower America include gambling in its "Index of Leading Cultural Indicators."

I don't know why they would list this as a cultural indicator. Perhaps I'm showing my cultural ignorance since I've never set foot in an American casino, are they terrible places? On the television they always seem quite glam, and all the casinos I've visited in Europe and Britain have been very nice and upmarket.

415 posted on 05/03/2003 2:31:20 PM PDT by Katya
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To: Callahan
This is the politics of personal destruction so loved by Hillary and her gang of thugs. I suppose they think it was important. He spends his own money gambling. I guess they think he will look as bad as a reverend who bangs women in every city and has a least one child by a mistress of whom we know.
416 posted on 05/03/2003 5:45:58 PM PDT by doug from upland (my dogs ran from the room when they heard Hillary shrieking on the radio)
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To: Maximilian
It's also worthwhile to remember that Wall Street takes a "house cut" just as substantial as Las Vegas. The "overhead" costs will kill you if you aren't lucky when you're gambling on Wall Street, as opposed to investing. That's why in the classic book on Wall St. investing (whose title I momentarily forget), on the first page he takes you to the harbor in Manhattan and shows you all the yachts belonging to the brokers and reminds you that there are precious few that belong to the "investors."

Lots of people are in stocks who shouldn't be. However, even with the broker's cut, the average diversified long term invester usually beats the market, especially if his approach to investing avoids high risk stocks and avoids frequently taking new stakes. By contrast, all gambling is high risk, all involves frequently making new bets, and it is almost impossible to come out ahead long-term in gambling. As far as casino gambling is concerned, consistent winners are tagged as card counters and subsequented barred from gambling.

Low stakes social gambling is often harmless fun, but I don't like the whole thing. Bill Bennett isn't particularly anti-gambling, so this news story really isn't justified as news. However, I can't believe he is other than ashamed of being such a heavy gambler. I certainly tell my kids not be become gamblers, and I don't think it right to work in the gaming industry either.

417 posted on 05/03/2003 7:30:31 PM PDT by Steve Eisenberg
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To: Katya
I personally don't find gambling to be horrible or evil either.

I guess you'd have to ask Bennett why his group included it in the document.
418 posted on 05/03/2003 7:43:10 PM PDT by stevem99
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To: Katya
I've never set foot in an American casino, are they terrible places?

I have no problem with gambling but most of the Vegas casinos have burlesque shows, are filled with hookers, drug addicts and alcoholics. They are not places for a guy to be frequenting if he wants to keep his self-imposed title of Mr. Virtue.

419 posted on 05/03/2003 8:02:12 PM PDT by Aloysius
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To: Aloysius
I love guys like Bennett since I have made good money on casino stocks over the years. His problem is that he is a preaching moralist who is a degenerate gambler. It makes him a joke. This country is being overwhelmed by people who accept nothing less than Puritanism in others while accepting their own faults as human weakness.
420 posted on 05/04/2003 4:34:45 AM PDT by johnnyb93
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