[stinkypew]

The Brits did the slugging around Caen so we could break out at Normandy.

My guess is that the Russians and Brits would have beaten Hitler without us, but maybe not without our material aid.

As to the Russian winter, why didn't it beat the Germans in WWI?

And I hate to pull up stuff this old, but anybody ever heard of the "Blandensburg Races"? We got our butts handed to us by the Brits. I mean, c'mon. They burned our capitol.

[Ursus arctos horribilis]

Well there is that little matter called the "Battle Of New Orleans" You do remember in 1814 when some rag tag polyglot of Americans thumped the living hell out of the best England had to offer straight from their victories at Waterloo. It was also the only time the much vaunted "Black Watch" fled the field of battle

[yarddog]

They burned our capital but later we handed them the most one-sided defeat they ever suffered at "New Orleans".

I have never heard of the blandensburg races, what is it?

[stinkypew]

According to Matthew Cooper, "The German Army, 1933-1945," the Russians killed 214,000 Germans between June and November 1944. In the West, 54,000 Germans were killed.

Now that picks up right after D-Day, yet the Russians inflicted 4X the deaths of the U.S. and Brits combined.

[Pukka Puck]

"As to the Russian winter, why didn't it beat the Germans in WWI?"

You don't have a very strong grasp of history, do you? The Russians surrendered to the Germans in World War I on terms very favorable to the Germans. Those terms were rewritten after the Allies eventually defeated the Germans.

[faithincowboys]

Not another Anglophile. I wonder why so many people in this country (pseudo-intellectuals always belittle this country and it's achievements. And why did Churchill think it was so neccessary that we get into the war? We were definitely a major player in that victory and to say otherwise is truly amazing. Why do you think that the Roosevelt (later Truman) and Stalin had the biggest voices in the Big Three?

By the way, I love and appreciate the Brits, but I think it is historically inaccurate to take the position you have taken. Our national self loathing really needs to stop!