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PM: Canada right on Iraq No weapons of mass destruction found yet
http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2003/05/23/93553.html ^ | Fri May 23 2003 | CP

Posted on 05/23/2003 5:03:58 AM PDT by ruready4eternity

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To: Livinglarge
On the other hand, Saddam never provided support for any terrorist groups that targeted the United States.

A fact-free assertion. Would there be justice in the universe, you'd be the first to suffer Iraqi terror in this country. You can hide behind the "law of averages" say you won't personally suffer, but if the association were more direct, I wonder if how much more protection you'd be advocating.

143 posted on 05/23/2003 5:02:56 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: ruready4eternity
Does he not care about the confirmed ties Saddam had in sponsoring international terrorism? There haven't been any WMD found in Afghanistan that I can recall, and yet Canada participated there. Should we have let the Taliban off the hook? They may have sponsored and harbored terrorists--but they didn't have any WMD--so therefore, they were not a threat, right?
147 posted on 05/23/2003 5:11:25 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: ruready4eternity
Move on down here to Kentucky--we may have a Republican governor next year.
148 posted on 05/23/2003 5:12:55 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Livinglarge
On the other hand, Saddam never provided support for any terrorist groups that targeted the United States.

Please.

149 posted on 05/23/2003 5:16:44 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Livinglarge
The key word in both sentences is "legal." Once again, there is a significant difference between "sole" and "legal." Just admit you were wrong and get on with your life.

You continue to obfuscate as if only Democrats were paying attention. The problem I'm pointing out is your attempt to blur the difference between "only" in your original assertion, and "a" in your later back pedal attempt.

As far as your "key word" is concerned, "legal" is in both of your posts. As in "only legal" then later "a legal".

So, let's re-cap. You begin by asserting that WMD were the "only" legal justification for invasion. After challenges by me, and others, that the breaking of ceasefire agreements provided additional "legal" justification, you assert that WMD were "a legal" justification.

After calling on me to be "honorable", you pitch out another red herring.

"Once again, there is a significant difference between 'sole' and 'legal.'"

150 posted on 05/23/2003 5:23:02 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: Livinglarge
You've been "called out" by several on this forum. They've acused you of posting under other names. At first you feigned ingnorance. Later you simply ignored them.

A simple question. Have you participated on this site under aliases other than "LivingLarge"?

151 posted on 05/23/2003 5:30:29 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: Livinglarge
A fact-free assertion.

An assertion you can not prove.

No, but an assertion you can quickly disproved by you offering a supporting fact. It can be inferred by the fact that you don't that you can't.

152 posted on 05/23/2003 5:55:37 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: ruready4eternity
I cant believe this garbage. Im sick of my country . Someone help Us here in Canada

LOL. Ya know, I used to take potshots at every Canada-story . . . but I've learned there's a lotta Canadian FReepers who hate Cretin Chretien just as much as we do.

Besides, the jackass makes a fool of himself so often it was like shooting fish in a barrel. There's no sport in it any longer.

All him and his administration are doing is driving the wedge deeper and deeper and, in the long run, it's the Canadian people who will have to pick up the tab.

153 posted on 05/23/2003 6:01:09 PM PDT by geedee (Part of the secret of a success in life is to eat what you like and let the food fight it out inside)
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To: Livinglarge
I didn't attack you unless you consider yourself an unthinking leftist and you say you're neither. In anycase, I was calling the precedent argument fallacious. I gave my reasons why; it wasn't a personal attack. I was somewhat ambivalent about the war myself, there are good reasons for and against it, but overall I think that it was worth it. I've already considered tons of arguments on both sides of the debate; I probably can't change your mind anymore than you can mine. I'll leave it at that.
154 posted on 05/23/2003 9:58:30 PM PDT by pragmatic_asian
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To: Livinglarge
It took the first UNSCOM group over two years to find the evidence they got (see UN website) with lots of informant derived leads. It is too early to declare Iraq free of WMD. I will sheepishly admit to being wrong if we find WMD at some point in the future. I just don't think that scenario is likely.

Well, either way, the old European/Democrat/Socialist mantra of "Give the inspections time" should apply here. One has to ask why Saddam did not simply deliver the proof of the destruction of the known WMDs, thus putting him on the road to full restoration of his control of the country, and still sticking a finger in Bush's eye. He could have had it all. It just doesn't make sense for him to do all this when he would be cutting off his own nose to do it.

As for the "why Iraq and not (insert despotic regime here) question: I can only say that every journey begins with but a single step. Most of the countries you might think of usually screw over their own citizens within their own borders, until they collapse of their own weight, and the leaders loot the country and go to live in France. Iraq is a special case, as it controls a large portion of the planet's oil reserves, which we do have to care about since the greenie weenies and their Dem accomplices won't let us go after our own oil. That, and a demostrated willingness to use the WMDs he had, and a deep desire to reclaim the "lost provinces" of Iraq, which Hussein seems to think included most of the Middle East. In a word, I think deterrence and containment were working. Saddam only used WMD against foes not similarly armed.

In what way were they working? There were NO inspectors in Iraq, he was using the "oil for food" program to enrich himself (and France, Germany and Russia) and who knows what else, not feed the people, who were the only ones suffering, and there was a successful campaign of making us look like the bad guy in that scenario. As Hitler and many other dictators have proven over and over again, waiting and appeasement are signs of weakness to them, which they exploit at will.

WMDs or not, the humanitarian aspects of the liberation make it all worthwhile. I still think the long-term consequences may prove to be greater than the benefits.

I stand by my statement, especially considering the "successes" of the UN "peacekeepers" in Rwanda and now, in the Congo. Look at what the bestial Taliban did to people in Afghanistan, and the world just stood back and watched, much as they did with the Jews in pre-WWII in the 1930s. Some say we are doing it again with the rabid antisemitism of today's Europe.

I guess we will just have to hope for the best and wait and see.

156 posted on 05/25/2003 7:53:58 AM PDT by SpinyNorman
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To: laredo44
My comment is based upon Colin Powell's argument to the Security Council of the United Nations in which he supposedly revealed our deepest intelligence to prove the Iraqi's were hiding WMD's from the UN inspectors. This argument was designed to convince the Security Council to resolve that armed conflict was justified due to the Iraqi obstinance. He did not argue that Iraq was part of international terror. Hence, our international credibility is based upon finding WMD's and nothing less.
157 posted on 05/28/2003 1:09:09 PM PDT by stryker
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To: Livinglarge
India could if Pakistan had signed a frigging cease fire agreement that said that if you stop bombing us back to the stoneage we will get rid of all of our WMD and then Pakistan spent 12 years going back on their word and claiming that there NEVER were any weapons of mass destruction.
158 posted on 05/28/2003 1:13:40 PM PDT by hirn_man
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To: Livinglarge
I wouldn't be so sure about that. North Korea will soon learn the error of its ways.
159 posted on 05/28/2003 1:24:15 PM PDT by hirn_man
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