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Bennett's Good Works
The Washington Post ^ | Monday, May 26, 2003 | John DiIulio

Posted on 05/26/2003 7:22:04 AM PDT by sitetest

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To: Ken H
According to the initial story, Bennett had to draw on a $1.4 million line of credit at one point to cover losses.

I don't remember reading THAT bit of info. That initial story was a hit piece that was filled with innuendo and personal opinions.

I'd still like to know who in the casinos in Nevada broke the code of silence followed by all the casinos to protect their 'players'. If that person is ever identified, I think his name is gonna be MUD in Las Vegas or Atlantic City!

61 posted on 05/26/2003 10:40:29 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: B Knotts
Dear B Knotts,

"Hey, all I'm saying is that he rejected the very same moral arguments when applied to pot that he attempted to use to defend his own gambling."

But you miss the point. Dr. Bennett believes that each and every recreational use of marijuana is at least somewhat harmful to at least the user. Others may disagree with him on this. Thus, even if others make the same argument that he makes about gambling (it isn't hurting anyone), they are doing so from a different set of assumptions.

It wasn't at all hypocritical for Dr. Bennett to continue to support laws continuing to ban recreational drug use, even while he gambled. In his view, each act of gambling is not inherently harmful, but each recreational use of marijuana is inherently harmful.

If you disagree with his assessment, that's fine. But his views and actions aren't hypocritical, unlike the actions of many of his critics.


sitetest
62 posted on 05/26/2003 10:42:45 AM PDT by sitetest
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To: B Knotts
And that is why many people consider him a hypocrite.

And I, and many others, believe those people are WRONG. The legalize drugs folks are just experiencing a big case of schadenfreude. You'll be happy with ANYTHING that makes someone you consider your nemesis look bad.

63 posted on 05/26/2003 10:45:16 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: sitetest
Dr. Bennett believes that each and every recreational use of marijuana is at least somewhat harmful to at least the user.

The dissonance here seem to stem from the fact that there is no clinical or medical evidence to support that belief, if, indeed, it is what Mr. Bennet actually believes.

In fact, he went purposefully out of his way during his tenure as Drug Whatever to stifle any research on marijuana in this regard. Which is rather ironic, since during that same time, he was addicted to nicotine and a heavy chain smoker.

Either he is a capable dunce, which I believe, or he is a duplicitous moral charalatan, which I believe. He is no friend to the principles this country was founded on, has too great a love of a bully pulpit and is conspicuously overfond of hearing the sound of his own name.

Except, of course, when it's heard calling him on the carpet for his obvious hypocrisy and bumbling incompetence.

64 posted on 05/26/2003 10:49:54 AM PDT by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears the Tao, he laughs out loud.)
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To: KDD
"Bill Clinton’s sexual affair with a twenty-one-year-old intern was not illegal either. Did you understand the outrage on FR over that? "

What office of trust was Bill Bennett elected to?
65 posted on 05/26/2003 10:50:47 AM PDT by Buck W.
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To: sitetest
But first, where do I send the bill for services rendered?

Another defense....why are you unwilling to engage in serious debate?

66 posted on 05/26/2003 10:51:18 AM PDT by Zevonismymuse
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To: sitetest
Nope, and I am sure Bill will continue to do good for many others.
God BLess America!
67 posted on 05/26/2003 10:51:46 AM PDT by OPS4
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To: Afronaut
"I need the morality police in this day and age like I need a hole in my head. "

It seems that you take greater offense with his message than with his gambling. That said, I expect that your vitriolic response to my comment, laced with faux-indignation as it is, would be the same as if I had defended Mr. Bennett against the accusation of being, say, an over-eater.

68 posted on 05/26/2003 10:57:57 AM PDT by Buck W.
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To: Buck W.
But trying to whitewash the unseemly public vision of Bill Bennett sitting before a slot machine for three hours at a time to unwind after a speech before a family values group earlier in the evening is the wrong thing to do. No matter how you slice it, gambling millions of dollars is a betrayal of Bennett's entire public career.

As Drug Czar, Bill Bennett outlined the problems drugs create in our communities. They drive families into poverty, increase domestic abuse, lead to higher crime rates, create higher unemployment, and drive a series of other social pathologies. He made a similar case with regard to the damaging effects of excess sex and violence in the television and music industries. In what way is gambling any different? Is it not true that gambling addicts wreck their own lives and the lives of those around them? Does gambling not lead to higher divorce rates, greater dependence on social services, and increased crime?

Thus far, Bennett's response has been to say that he hasn't hurt anyone with his gambling. He says he hasn't put his family in danger and that he's adhered to the law. Unless Bennett has gone libertarian his answer is lame at best and certainly no better than what the rich and famous have been telling us through their actions for years. In other words, it's okay to participate in socially destructive enterprises because he's sufficiently insulated by his wealth not to be affected by it. Forget the fact he's attacked fully analogous industries with great vigor. Forget that gambling enterprises have often been connected to organized crime. Forget that his habit helps support an enterprise that has wrecked thousands and thousands of families.

The American Spectator.

69 posted on 05/26/2003 11:13:46 AM PDT by KDD
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To: SuziQ
No, legal gambling is not as serious as cheating on your wife or having a child out of wedlock. But when certain public figures use the tropes of moral suasion to a higher degree than others, they are naturally held to a higher account. Their good name and ability to appeal to certain objective standards is their most valued currency.

Bennett made millions as the voice of morality in the conservative movement and excessive gambling is a vice, regardless of whether he talked about it or not. True, Bennett did not engage in illegal activity. But the fact that big-stakes gambling is more illegal than legal in the United States should tell us something. The fact that casino-industry lobbyists have the need to call their product the more benign-sounding "gaming" shows they know that the word "gambling" is seen as something problematic at the very least. (One could even imagine a Bill Bennett saying that the industry has been "shamed" out of saying what they truly are.)

It's ironic that former drug czar Bill Bennett would find himself under fire over gambling since studies suggest that addictions to various behaviors and substances may have a similar root cause — how the body regulates the neurotransmitter dopamine.

In other words, the same pleasure centers in the brain stoked by various illegal drugs get amped when a compulsive gambler is on a serious streak. Picturing Bill Bennett jacking the one-armed bandit for hours on end is very disturbing, and that's not meant for cheap laughs either. Jonah is right that Bennett may be guilty more of a "political" sin than a "moral" one, but that doesn't necessarily make it much better.

It's good that Bennett has declared that he is never going to gamble again, though the statement is somewhat problematic in and of itself. How many times have we seen public figures make such announcements — after they've been "caught" with their hands in the cookie jar? Does he recognize that he may have a true problem — or is it just for face- and money-saving purposes?

But, far more importantly, if Bennett's problem is as serious as it appears, those who respect the man should hope he seeks some counseling because most addicts have difficulty stopping cold turkey.

National Review

70 posted on 05/26/2003 11:16:52 AM PDT by KDD
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To: Zevonismymuse
Dear Zevonismymuse,

"Another defense....why are you unwilling to engage in serious debate?"

That's funny, that's what I thought I was doing. Just not with you.


sitetest
71 posted on 05/26/2003 11:19:16 AM PDT by sitetest
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To: Pahuanui
Dear Pahuanui,

"The dissonance here seem to stem from the fact that there is no clinical or medical evidence to support that belief, if, indeed, it is what Mr. Bennet actually believes."

It may not be what he believes. I don't know. I didn't listen that closely to Dr. Bennett while he was drug czar, for the simple reason that I had, and still have, no interest in the recreational use of any currently prohibited drugs.

But you rather narrowly define "harm". There are more sorts of "harm" to oneself which could occur from the use of marijuana. Perhaps you reject them. That's fine.

It doesn't make Dr. Bennett a hypocrite because he disagrees with you.

But frankly, I'm uninterested in debating the relative merits of marijuana use. It is sufficient that his view may differ from yours. That is the point; not whether his view is objectively true or not.


sitetest
72 posted on 05/26/2003 11:33:52 AM PDT by sitetest
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To: Zevonismymuse
Thanks to sanctimonious phonies like Bennett.

C'mon, dude.

Be real.

First off, the illegality of pot ranges from FIVE YEARS ON MY ISLAND to a ticket/small fine in the Great State of California.

The penalty depends on EACH JURISDICTION. Therefore, if you seem to think that Mr. Bennett has done everything possible to influence each and every legislature as to the evils of pot, you are deluding yourself.

If, for some reason, you think that anyone who decides pot smoking are now sanctimonious phonies, you juar insulted at least half of the folks on Free Republic.

Name-calling isn't debate, dude.

73 posted on 05/26/2003 12:00:57 PM PDT by Experiment 6-2-6 (Meega, Nala Kweesta!!!!)
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To: KDD
I enjoy the debate. However, I've sent my last volley on this one. In the words of Dave Mason, we just disagree.
74 posted on 05/26/2003 12:17:20 PM PDT by Buck W.
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To: Courier
I need to find a tiny island somewhere where life makes sense.

Um, my little island is tiny. But life doesn't make TOO much sense here, either..

75 posted on 05/26/2003 1:07:22 PM PDT by Experiment 6-2-6 (Meega, Nala Kweesta!!!!)
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To: Experiment 6-2-6
"If, for some reason, you think that anyone who decides pot smoking are now sanctimonious phonies, you juar insulted at least half of the folks on Free Republic. "

I do not think that people who think marijuana should be illegal are sanctimonious phonies. People are entitled to their opinion.

I think someone with multi-million dollar a year gambling habit who makes his money being the nation's foremost expert on virtue is a sanctimonious phony.

I won't defend people just because they sit on my side of the isle. One of my biggest disappointments during the Clinton scandals was the willingness of Democrats to defend him no matter what he did.

76 posted on 05/26/2003 1:37:00 PM PDT by Zevonismymuse
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To: Buck W.
Oh, I forgive, as if it were any of my business, Mr Bennett for his profligacy. What I have cherished the most, what was my Ferris Wheel on the Great Midway of Virtuosity, was the side show of Contortionist Christians making human pretzels of themselves in defence of vice. HL Mencken would love it.

77 posted on 05/26/2003 2:33:52 PM PDT by gcruse (Vice is nice, but virtue can hurt you. --Bill Bennett)
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To: Zevonismymuse
Mr. Bennett has been influential in his unwillingness to allow states to develope their own marijuana laws.

As far as I could tell, the laws haven't changed in the almost 15 yrs. since Bennett was Drug Czar. If enough folks wanted it changed, don't you think something would have happened by now? The vast majority of people in this country know that drug use is NOT something they want their kids to get into.

It is insidious, and it changes people's personalities; yes, even marijuana, which my brother, who is almost 53 exclusively uses. His emotional development stopped at about age 18, when he began smoking the stuff. Unfortunately, his first wife left him because he was using so much. His second wife hung on, only because they had 3 kids and she wanted it to work. When the third child was 10, she finally left, and he's made her life a living hell since. His girls don't want to have anything to do with him because he's an SOB, who ALWAYS knows he's right and everyone else is wrong, and according to him, the wacky terbacky had nothing to do with it.
Yeah right!

78 posted on 05/26/2003 4:03:50 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
I'm not a "legalize drugs" guy...although I do think the federal government does not have a constitutional role. I do think that we could perhaps reassess the way we handle marijuana use. And I would not consider Mr. Bennett a nemesis of mine. While I disagree with him on drug policy, there are many other issues on which I agree with him.

I'm just trying to point out that it is indeed the drug issue, and not his criticism of Clinton, that is behind the charges of hypocrisy.

79 posted on 05/26/2003 4:58:29 PM PDT by B Knotts
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