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To: keithtoo
If they start excommunicating all Catholics who are pro-choice, will they next move all to excommunicating all Catholics who believe in the death penalty, since the church is against that too?
20 posted on 05/29/2003 3:01:52 PM PDT by ChicagoGuy
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To: ChicagoGuy
Although the Pope has personally pronounced his opposition to the death penalty, I do not believe that position is an official part of church doctrine. Correct me if I am wrong.
21 posted on 05/29/2003 3:05:44 PM PDT by ernie pantuso
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To: ChicagoGuy
The Catholic Church does not teach that imposing the death penalty is intrinsically immoral. The Pope does not teach that, and the Church never will teach it.
43 posted on 05/29/2003 3:56:46 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: ChicagoGuy
will they next move all to excommunicating all Catholics who believe in the death penalty, since the church is against that too?

Incorrect. The teaching of the Church is that capital punishment should be rare. Many people, like Helen Prejean, have twisted what the Pope wrote in Evangelium vitae 56 into a claim that the Church absolutely opposes the death penalty.

Capital Punishment

2266 The State's effort to contain the spread of behaviors injurious to human rights and the fundamental rules of civil coexistence corresponds to the requirement of watching over the common good. Legitimate public authority has the right and duty to inflict penalties commensurate with the gravity of the crime. The primary scope of the penalty is to redress the disorder caused by the offense. When his punishment is voluntarily accepted by the offender, it takes on the value of expiation. Moreover, punishment, in addition to preserving public order and the safety of persons, has a medicinal scope: as far as possible it should contribute to the correction of the offender.[67]

2267 The traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude, presupposing full ascertainment of the identity and responsibility of the offender, recourse to the death penalty, when this is the only practicable way to defend the lives of human beings effectively against the aggressor.

"If, instead, bloodless means are sufficient to defend against the aggressor and to protect the safety of persons, public authority should limit itself to such means, because they better correspond to the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.

"Today, in fact, given the means at the State's disposal to effectively repress crime by rendering inoffensive the one who has committed it, without depriving him definitively of the possibility of redeeming himself, cases of absolute necessity for suppression of the offender 'today ... are very rare, if not practically non-existent.' [68]

44 posted on 05/29/2003 3:59:01 PM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: ChicagoGuy
Abortion and the death penalty are two different issues. The latter has to do with the perogatives of the state.
68 posted on 05/29/2003 7:51:22 PM PDT by RobbyS
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