God kept out of EU constitution

WorldNetDaily.Com ^ | Posted: May 29, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern | © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

[Bobby777]

THE NEW WORLD DISORDER

France leads charge to pander to Islamic immigrant populations

The draft European Union's proposed constitution leaves out mention of God and Europe's Christian roots, despite strong pressure from conservatives and the Vatican, and amid fear of alienating Islamic immigrant populations, reports the Italian news agency ANSA.

The long-awaited preamble to the document used the words "spiritual", "religious" and "humanistic" to describe Europe's heritage and references traditions in Europe "nourished by the Greek and Roman civilizations," but makes no reference to the deity.

The question of whether to include God in the EU's first-ever constitution has been a subject of intense debate in recent months as drafters attempted to cobble the document. Its purpose is to build cohesion within the EU as it expands eastward and grows from 15 to 25 member countries next year.

All current members are formally Christian states, but most make no reference to their Christian roots in their respective constitutions and keep church and state separate.

But many of the 10 countries due to join next year, led by the largely Roman Catholic Poland, wanted "Christian values" mentioned in the constitution.

Poland is due to hold a referendum June 7-8 on whether to join the EU. Cardinal Jozef Glemp, the Polish primate, has said he supports EU entry "but only with God," reports Agence France-Presse.

Likewise the Roman Catholic primate in Hungary, Monsignor Peter Erdoe, is clear on what the union should be founded on.

"Without Christianity, the heart of Europe would be missing," Agence France-Presse quotes Erdoe as saying.

Pope John Paul II also lobbied European leaders for "a clear reference to God and the Christian faith to be formulated in the European constitution."

Former Irish Prime Minister John Bruton formally proposed including a mention of Christianity. He told EUobserver.com, an independent website based in Belgium, he believes "a greater reference should be made to the fact that many Europeans derive something beyond humanity - this would apply to those who believe in all the major religions."

Secularist countries, led by France, contend pluralist modern Europe is beyond the need to reference religion, according to ANSA. Leaders also stressed a reference to "Christian values" would make it more difficult to accept a mostly Muslim country such as Turkey.

In an editorial, Scandinavia's largest daily newspaper, the Swedish Aftonbladet, said referring to Christian values in the constitution and placing them above other values would be a "huge mistake" because it would "exclude groups and raise new walls."

ANSA reports several countries were nervous about creating resentment among their large Islamic immigrant populations.

"We are very glad a reference to God has been left out, it would have created unnecessary barriers in Europe," Terry Sanderson, vice president of the UK's National Secular Society, told EUobserver. "Europe has to be secular for it to be really unified."

Giscard d'Estaing, a former French president and the head of the Convention on the future of Europe, the body charged to draft the constitution, earlier indicated a compromise was possible by having the preamble mention religion. There is no mention of God or religious values in the main body of the text.

Penning the article himself, Giscard dashed the hope of compromise he had raised.

The 105 convention delegates will debate the latest draft starting tomorrow. The individual EU governments will then have the final say.

Editor's note: The May edition of WND's monthly Whistleblower magazine, titled "THE NEW WORLD RE-ORDER, shows how decisions made in the next few months will determine to a great extent whether America remains a free, constitutional republic or yields its freedom to the rule of international law administered by the United Nations.

[Bobby777]

"I handled a white sodium hydroxide tablet without gloves "

that must have been fun ... ouch ... well, I once created acetelyne gas without venting the tube right off ... the T.A. kinda freaked out ... hehe ... we made aspirin that semester but since it wasn't buffered, none of us had the guts (pun intended) to take any ...

did a similar thing with the benzene ... all freaked out (without gloves) I concentrated on not spilling it and got it RIGHT on my thumbnail ... I still freaked ... for no reason probably since it was the thumbnail ...

I enjoyed making nylon pulling it from the interface in the beaker ... that was kinda cool ... somebody in another section broke some thermometers and we had a mercury spill so they had to call in the guys in biohazard suits ... the lab was shut down for two weeks ... we all enjoyed the "break" provided by some unknown fellow classman ...

[Kerberos]

Where did you compile this list from?

[Bobby777]

actually check the 24 Elders of Revelation ... these would seem to indicate the 12 (final) Disciples and one from each of the Twelve Tribes of Israel ... Revelation 4:10-11

[gcruse]

Dropping mercury process thermometers into steel tanks gave the same results, with the additional destruction of chemistry and putting equipment out of service for days.

Then there was the production manager who wanted to heat some tanks up faster than the heaters were doing it. So he took a propane torch to the outside of the tanks. No one told him the sides were metal over marine plywood, but he found out pretty soon.

[Bobby777]

man ... yep that would have gotten his attention! ... well, gotta hit the sack ... we're moving 300+ computers tomorrow ... what fun ... thanks everyone for bumping the thread ... night all ...

[smith288]

It just sounds stupid.

"Check out that chick, she is 914.4, 863.6...BOO YAA!"

Like that would ever work...

[ffusco]

How many cubits in a furlong?

[gcruse]

Is that an Imperial or a regular furlong?

[ffusco]

All Hail Mighty Zeus!

[ffusco]

Holy Crap!

A group of super diplomats?

[Katana16j]

Notice how Poland is mentioned prominantly on both articles posted here in FR.

Watch carefully... I think we may be priveleged enough to see a great European power return to the world stage.

Assuming of course that they do not accept EU membership.

[ffusco]

A Bakers furlong.

Anyone remember the "dekabet" from SNL.

"Elemeno" was one letter

[ffusco]

Pierogi's at Cafe Veselka BUMP

[KittyKares]

It does sound funny, but I looked up primate in the dictionary and it means archbishop. It comes from the Latin word for "first".

[KittyKares]

After typing all those names of God, did you achieve Nirvana?

[KittyKares]

They're not that advanced.

[KittyKares]

Can you imagine a union of Islamic nations leaving out references to Muhammad so as not to offend Christians?

[Pyrion]

Sadly, no. I find it easier to imagine France defending itself from invasion. ;)

[Cacique]

ping

[Consort]

I did a few searches for gods and deities (Native American deities, Norse Deities, Hawaiian deities, etc.). It's all cut and paste.