[Macbeth2003]

Public opinion may be driven by the elite, but to become PUBLIC opinion it must be held by a larger number than that. If there is enough public opinion in that way surely the contrary believ can not be said to be universal.

i.e. "Socialism is universaly believd to be wrong." If someone said that it would be untrue. Granted socialism is idiotic, provably failed, and not endorsed by most Americans(although we get closer every day), but it cannot be said to be universally believed to be wrong.. more's the pity.

[RobbyS]

You may not be aware that fifty years ago that even unbelievers among the elite thought of homosexuality as a sexual perversion. Today we know absolute nothing more about it, except that it is not a form of mental illness, and that it is practiced by otherwise normal people. But recently they have decided that there is nothing shameful in it or any other form of sexual practice. Whatever gives you pleasure is good (forget even the bit about doing no harm.)

I dare say that even now the great majority of people regard homosexuality as wrong, but this opposition has been subverted by the representation of it by the media and academia. If you look at the way that they are presented in films and television, you must think they are more asexual than libertine. What actors do in the soap operas seems a lot "sexier."

If you look at the way that the AIDS issue is handled, one would never know that it is still a disease mainly
caused by contact with gays and/or drug-users. A lie, of course,and you can tell by looking at the WHO data, but who's paying attention?

The simple fact is that the whole matter has been turned upside down. Whereas before it was assumed that the ordinary homosexual was a total low-life, now he is assumed to be the boy next door. It is of course as much a lie as the reverse. , but how are ordinary people to know when they are given no contrary evidence?