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Quietly, State Dept. Turns Over American Islands to Russia, Others
NewsMax ^ | May 8, 2000 | Stephan Archer

Posted on 06/12/2003 9:16:57 AM PDT by Beck_isright

Quietly, State Dept. Turns Over American Islands to Russia, Others

In recent years several U.S. islands have been ceded to Russia and other countries, without congressional approval or public debate.

These islands, many uninhabited, are significant because they hold potential mineral, gas, oil and fishing rights – not to mention potential strategic military value.

So where exactly are these disputed islands?

The Arctic islands, which lie west of Alaska and north of Siberia, include the islands of Wrangell, Herald, Bennett, Jeannette and Henrietta.

The islands in the Bering Sea make up the westernmost point in Alaska’s Aleutian chain and include Copper Island, Sea Otter Rock and Sea Lion Rock. These islands together have more square mileage than the states of Rhode Island and Delaware combined.

Though the United States had staked claim to these islands for more than a century, the State Department has been anxious to turn them back to Russia.

The tranfer would have gone unnoticed were it not for State Department Watch, a Washington-based group that monitors State Department acitivities.

Retired U.S. Navy Lt. Cmdr. Carl Olson, who heads State Department Watch, recently checked with the Census Bureau, asking if it had plans to count the inhabitants of these disputed islands in the current census.

Olson was stunned by the response he received from the Census Bureau.

"Census Bureau officials were informed by the U.S. Department of State that these islands remain under the jurisdiction of Russia," wrote Kenneth Prewitt, director of the Census Bureau in a letter to Olson.

"Without confirmation and appropriate documentation from the Department of State to the contrary, the Census Bureau cannot include these islands as part of the State of Alaska," Prewitt concluded.

Americans Become Russians

Olson notes that the Census Bureau, with the approval of the State Dept., has just stripped Americans of their citizenship.

Consider the inhabitants of Wrangell Island, the largest of eight disputed islands – five lying in the Arctic Ocean and three in the Bering Sea.

Geographically speaking, the island’s inhabitants would also be citizens of the state of Alaska since no other American state comes even close to the proximity of the islands.

But if anyone desired to visit Wrangell Island, they would be greeted not by the Stars and Stripes waving proudly in the brisk air but by a Russian military tower.

According to Olson, the islands including Wrangell have 18 Russian soldiers and one officer and 50 to 100 inhabitants.

Olson insists these people have been made to endure foreign occupation by the Russian military and believes the U.S. government should do something about taking the islands back.

NewsMax.com contacted Mark Seidenberg, a former senior traffic management specialist within the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and asked him if he believed the United States should pursue its sovereignty on the islands. Seidenberg, without hesitation, said "yes."

U.S. Territory for Long Time

U.S. claims for these islands are strong.

When the United States purchased Alaska from Russia in 1867, the impending treaty included all of the Aleutian Islands, including Copper Island, Sea Otter Rock and Sea Lion Rock.

A number of years later, in 1881, U.S. Captain Calvin L. Hooper landed on Wrangell Island and claimed it for the United States. One of the landing party was famed explorer John Muir.

Also in 1881, the U.S. Navy claimed Bennett, Jeannette and Henrietta islands for the United States. Later that century, the British gave up their claim to Herald Island, allowing the Americans to take it over.

Claims of these islands, however, didn’t become an important issue between the former Soviet Union and the United States until the 1970s, when the concept of international fishing zones 200 miles from national coastlines went into affect.

With both the Soviet Union and Alaska having coastlines within a much closer proximity than the needed 400-mile buffer zone, a maritime boundary had to be established.

Secret Transfer

The resulting U.S.-U.S.S.R. Maritime Boundary Treaty was passed by the Senate and ratified by former President George Bush in 1991. Russia, however, never ratified the treaty because its leaders complained that the U.S.S.R. didn’t benefit enough from it.

Nevertheless, former U.S. Secretary of State Jim Baker and the Soviet Union’s Foreign Minister Eduard Shevardnadze signed a secretive executive agreement the year before that bound both governments to the treaty.

Currently, Russia is demanding hundreds of millions of pounds more fishing rights from the United States that would undermine the Alaskan fish industry and, subsequently, the state’s economy.

A wealth of petroleum and natural gas hang in the balance as well.

When NewsMax.com contacted the State Department for an explanation, a spokesman said he wasn’t aware of any issue involving the Wrangell Islands and the U.S. government and that it was his belief that the islands have been recognized as a part of Russia since the 1800s. During the course of the interview, the State Department official asked if he was being "put on."

Even though now recognizing Russian jurisdiction over the islands, the State Department had testified at the June 13, 1991, treaty hearing that the maritime boundary agreement "does not recognize Soviet sovereignty over these [five Arctic] islands."

Enraged by the turnover of Alaska’s sovereign land, Rep. John Coghill Jr. of that state’s legislature sponsored House Joint Resolution 27, which beseeches the Department of State to inform the Alaska Legislature of any decisions regarding the maritime agreement.

The resolution further points out that setting a maritime boundary between Alaska and Russia is a "constitutional issue of states’ rights."

One of the issues over these islands and the surrounding waters are the fishing rights of Alaskan fishermen. Oil, of which Alaska has the largest national reserves, may also be abundant in the disputed territory.

Military Value

Olson notes the area's strategic value as well.

Beneath the icy waters around the islands, submarine warfare has taken place in the past between the former Soviet Union and the United States. The ice is now one of the last places for submarines to hide. The islands could also be hosts to vital facilities tracking hostile government movements.

"Everybody knows that the shortest distance between the U.S. mainland and Asia is the polar route, giving easy access to aircraft and whatever else," Olson explained. "And the Asian mainland doesn’t just consist of Russia. It includes China."

More American Islands Lost

Olson adds that the Arctic islands are not the only American islands the State Dept. has been giving away without congressional approval or treaty.

In recent years four American Pacific Islands – Washington, Fanning, Makin and Little Makin – have been ceded to the island nation of Kiribati without a treaty.

"Lost” islands include Nassau Island in the Pacific Ocean and Bajo Nuevo and Serranilla Bank in the Caribbean Sea. The islands became American territory under the Guano Act in the late 1800s.

Regarding these three lost islands, the Census Bureau's Prewitt, in a letter dated March 15, stated, "With respect to Nassau Island, Bajo Nuevo, or Serranilla Bank, the Department of State has not informed the Census Bureau that claims to these islands have been certified."

In addition to the abandonment of the islands is the loss of all resources within a 200-mile economic zone of each island. As is the case with most of the Arctic islands, the economic zones around each of the islands may be more important than the islands themselves.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; Russia; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: alaska; arcticislands; borders; boundaries; constitution; fisheries; minerals; naturalgas; oil; russia; statedept; staterights; wrangellisland
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To: cake_crumb
Please this is no place for facts. It is time for HYSTERIA.
After all you saw this was from NewsMax didn't you?
41 posted on 06/12/2003 2:08:08 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATS will use any means to denigrate George Bush's Victory.)
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To: Stingray51
"You state that the idea that there is a dispute with Russia has been discredited and debunked, as if there was no such island and as if there has never been an American claim to it."

That's a silly thing to say. There is no dispute with Russia over the islands (Wrangel, Wrangell), but that hardly means that the islands don't exist.

It is the article, as well as your argument, that has been debunked, not the existence of the islands.

42 posted on 06/12/2003 2:16:32 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
You say there is no dispute with Russia. The article's point is that there should be. Personally, I think it is pretty clear that Wrangel Island was in fact part of the US at one time but that we have much bigger fish to fry at the moment. However, that does not make the article's contention with regard to Wrangel Island bogus or debunked or discredited or whatever other derisive terms you use to describe opinions that differ from yours.
43 posted on 06/12/2003 3:41:05 PM PDT by Stingray51
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To: Southack
The City of Wrangell, Alaska, and Wrangel Island are not the same thing.
44 posted on 06/12/2003 4:06:26 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion
No kidding...
45 posted on 06/12/2003 8:02:28 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Stingray51
Did you see the map in post #37?
46 posted on 06/12/2003 8:03:16 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Stingray51
"However, that does not make the article's contention with regard to Wrangel Island bogus or debunked or discredited or whatever other derisive terms you use..."

Did you not even read the *TITLE* to this thread (and to the debunked NewsMax article)??!!

"Quietly, State Dept. Turns Over American Islands to Russia, Others"

Did you miss the line in the article wherein NewsMax claims "But if anyone desired to visit Wrangell Island, they would be greeted not by the Stars and Stripes waving proudly in the brisk air but by a Russian military tower."

Look kid, that is the epitome of being DISCREDITED!

There is no Russian military tower on Wrangell Island, and I even posted the U.S. Chamber of Commerce web page (above, this thread) for Wrangell Island to illustrate that point.

Talk about being discredited...

47 posted on 06/12/2003 8:08:53 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Beck_isright
After reading this post, I wrote to my Senator and I just got the response today.
He writes:

Dear xxxx,
Thanks for taking the time to contact me me with your concerns regarding claims that the United States Department of State is giving Unites States land to Russia.
{snip formalities}
I understand your concern for the integrity of United States territory. I have contacted the Department of State regarding this matter and have been assured that the claims from the organization State Department Watch and its chairman, Carl Olson, are false. In addition, I am forwarding your concerns to the Department of State so that they may address this issue more fully.
48 posted on 07/14/2003 3:51:44 PM PDT by visualops (The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth.)
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To: Beck_isright; All
Since little girly Beck_isright posted his/her whining opus about fleeing Free Republic today, I've decided to re-humiliate him/her by bumping this thread wherein I thrashed his tinfoil nonsense about the U.S. ceding territory.

BUMP!

49 posted on 03/21/2004 1:34:18 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Beck_isright
Beck_isright Flees Free Republic
50 posted on 03/21/2004 1:35:34 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
You are indeed THE MAN!
51 posted on 03/21/2004 1:43:04 PM PST by ServesURight (FReecerely Yours,)
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To: Beck_isright
Gee, you would think the US State Department worked for us to promote the United States interests. I imagine in the next 10 years, they won't even need to hide the fact that they really have the UNs interests at heart if the demonRats get their way.
52 posted on 03/21/2004 2:31:58 PM PST by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting--N.S)
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To: Wolfhound777
c#9
53 posted on 03/21/2004 9:57:08 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
LOL.......I am left speechless ....it is RARE to see anyone so completely EVISCERATED in a debate, either online or off.

I think it's safe to say that "Beck isright" is wrong on this one. hehe I just hope that by bumping this thread this isn't going to cause others who don't take time to read the whole thing to believe a lie. Oh well, I think the risk is worth it.
54 posted on 03/22/2004 12:54:09 PM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Beck_isright
"As I get more news on this, I shall post it." - Beck_isright

I doubt it.

55 posted on 03/22/2004 1:00:57 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Beck_isright
I found this online.

It's the text of the 1991 agreement with the Soviet Union. In it, Senator Helms states clearly that the US had not (in 1991) relinquished its claim to the 5 Arctic Islands - Bennett, Henrietta, Jeannette, Wrangel and Herald Island. I strongly recommed anyone posting on this thread read Jesse Helms' remarks.

Despite the hysterical ranting of certain Bushbots on this thread, this appears to be a legitimate issue.

56 posted on 03/22/2004 1:19:27 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
"Despite the hysterical ranting of certain Bushbots on this thread, this appears to be a legitimate issue."

Nonsense. The Newsmax and Worldnetdaily article(s) clearly identify Wrangell island as having Alaskan eskimoes on them who are now "Russian" citizens.

That's totally bogus no matter HOW you play it. If you pretend that Newsmax and Worldnetdaily simply misspelled the name "Wrangel" by writing "Wrangell", then you're still left to explain the eskimoes. There are any Alaskan eskimoes on the "Wrangel" rock outcropping (a former guano island, with treat-limited soveriegnty at best).

If you actually accept that they meant "Wrangell", then you've got to explain why I can still post Wrangell's chamber of commerce web site and why U.S. flights are still going there daily.

57 posted on 03/22/2004 1:31:40 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Right Wing Professor
From your article:

"Americans Become Russians
Olson notes that the Census Bureau, with the approval of the State Dept., has just stripped Americans of their citizenship.

Consider the inhabitants of Wrangell Island, the largest of eight disputed islands – five lying in the Arctic Ocean and three in the Bering Sea.

Geographically speaking, the island’s inhabitants would also be citizens of the state of Alaska since no other American state comes even close to the proximity of the islands.

But if anyone desired to visit Wrangell Island, they would be greeted not by the Stars and Stripes waving proudly in the brisk air but by a Russian military tower."


58 posted on 03/22/2004 1:34:38 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
It's quite clear which Wrangel Island the articles are referring to, and it has nothing to do with Wrangell, Alaska. Wrangell is a frequent variant of the explorer's name (as in the Wrangell Mountains, for example). You can find both spellings used. John Muir used the two-l spelling.

You, on the other hand, referred to this 2925 sq. mile island as a 'large rock outcropping'; you referred to the article as 'an old Guanno Islands wives tale' (Those double consonants are a bear, aren't they!) .

By the way, here's a sketch, drawn by John Muir, of the American flag flying over Wrangel Island, north of the Bering Strait. .

59 posted on 03/22/2004 1:51:55 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Southack
There are any Alaskan eskimoes on the "Wrangel" rock outcropping (a former guano island, with treat-limited soveriegnty at best).

Wrangel Island is 2925 sq. miles in area. It is not a guano island; in fact it's snow- and ice-covered.

60 posted on 03/22/2004 2:07:56 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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