Shot forced on newborn over parents' objections

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, June 18, 2003 | By Diana Lynne

[billbears]

And not against you either. It just suprises me how many expect the government to have this right

[justshutupandtakeit]

Freedom does not allow a parent to allow a child to die.

Teenagers trying to have a home delivery are fruits. This whole issue arose because of that and for no other reason. Without that foolish decision everything would have had time to be worked out.

Their education is quite limited with the most educated of the pair alledgedly has a AA degree. This is insufficient for attempting home delivery, a particularly dangerous endeavor for those who do not know what they are doing.

I have a 19 yr. old and, even though he is very intelligent and a good boy, I would never trust him with such a decision.

One-third of those with B do not know how they got it. Newly infected people are primarily young adults.

Maybe it is just ole hard-hearted me but I doubt very seriously if this girl was a virgin when she and the guy made this baby or him either so I doubt your take on it is accurate. Were they married?

[CajunConservative]

Were they married? Yes they are married.

[petitfour]

Since this was probably a 16 or 17 year old . . . Where do you get that idea? The article clearly does not state the mother's age. We don't know if they are married. We don't know if they are promiscuous. We know only that the neonatologist believed the results of a known error-prone test.

[petitfour]

Mighty arrogant of you to judge a stranger as to whether or not she was a virgin.

I wonder sometimes at how this country came to be with all the home-birthin's that have taken place over the years. And without vaccines.

[ibheath]

first of all, just because they did not have insurance does not mean they are deadbeats. Second, if they refused the medical treatment and the child had sickened, they would not have had a case. As to homebirths, women have delivered babies successfully for thousands of years before men(doctors) got involved. I have worked hospitals, and most of the interventions "suggested" are for the convenience of the doctors (read scheduled inductions).

[justshutupandtakeit]

How did it come to be? Well, it came to be with women dying by swarms from incompetent or no medical attention. Child birth was a killer. Women died at a very young age far too often. THAT is how it came to be. This is all clear from even a rudimentary study of history.

Can there be competent midwives? Of course, was there one here? I doubt it.

[justshutupandtakeit]

The father was 19 so I would assume she was younger by at least two yrs.

I didn't say she wasn't a virgin just that I doubted if she was. I still doubt that.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Thank you.

[justshutupandtakeit]

They didn't believe the test but kept testing until their doubts were confirmed. The problem was the lack of pre-natal care so that this did not become a problem.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Oh, an a glance at history would also show you that children died in swarms before the age of two in the good ole days.

In the backwoods there might be a dozen births and two or three children survived. Infection and ignorance killed at a massive rate.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Had the hospital not given injections and the baby sickened, there is no doubt that the hospital would have been sued and the typical braindead jury would have rewarded the family. You seriously doubt this?

[petitfour]

My husband and I must come from long lines of very fertile, healthy women. I don't know how they lived into their 80s without medical care during baby-birthin', nor can I explain how they birthed between 7 to 12 babies at home without dying. There were a few miscarriages, but that is not unusual even with the "best" medical care available.

Why wouldn't you assume that she was 21 or 25 or 33?

[spunkets]

"Freedom does not allow a parent to allow a child to die."

Freedom requires the parents make the decision, unless it's a clear case of negligence and this ain't one.

"Teenagers trying to have a home delivery are fruits."

THey were parents that chose to do it that way. They are adults that made a choice. THey also made the choice to arrange for hospital delivery if they needed it. They did, so they went there. Doesn't sound to irrational to me. BTW folks have been having babies for thousands of years w/o certified expert bosses to make all the decisions.

This whole issue arose because of that and for no other reason. Without that foolish decision everything would have had time to be worked out.

No, it arose, because of an arrogent, authoritarian doc that was incompetant and pushy.

"Their education is quite limited with the most educated of the pair alledgedly has a AA degree.

So what. The doc had an MD and he was wrong!

"This is insufficient for attempting home delivery, a particularly dangerous endeavor for those who do not know what they are doing."

Says who? If the birth goes as it usually does, the baby's just born, else they go to the hospital. That's what they decided, so it's OK with me.

"I have a 19 yr. old and, even though he is very intelligent and a good boy, I would never trust him with such a decision."

He's an adult now, so the decisions aren't yours to make.

"One-third of those with B do not know how they got it."

Irrelevant! Hep B is a sexually transmitted disease, unless you count needle sticks and the like.

"Maybe it is just ole hard-hearted me but I doubt very seriously if this girl was a virgin when she and the guy made this baby or him either so I doubt your take on it is accurate."

The only take that matters is that of the parents. Everybody else's opinions don't count. " Were they married?"

Yes.

[AAABEST]

#10 LMAO!!!

I'm on the opposite side of her on this so I look at the post as "useful".

[CajunConservative]

Their education is quite limited with the most educated of the pair alledgedly has a AA degree.

Actually that isn't too bad for a 19 year old to have already accomplished this. How many 19 y/o do you know even have a clue what they want to do in life much less a degree to show for it?

[spunkets]

"Had the hospital not given injections and the baby sickened, there is no doubt that the hospital would have been sued and the typical braindead jury would have rewarded the family. You seriously doubt this?"

Yes. THe story gives a tale of responsible folks that were imposed upon by tyrants. All they wanted was medical assistance with the birth and to leave unmolested.

[LanPB01]

After reading this article closer, I question the final statement that the girl DIDN'T have hepatitis. Who told WorldNetDaily that her final test came back negative? Apparently, this family of loons did, since the hospital wouldn't talk to them. Excuse me for questioning their honesty, but based on some of their other statements, I see no reason to believe she doesn't have this disease.

[AAABEST]

#33

Bingo!

[spunkets]

"In the backwoods there might be a dozen births and two or three children survived."

Your exaggerating." Infection and ignorance killed at a massive rate."

w/o the meds the same would be true today, hospitals notwithstanding.