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Maj. Gen. Odierno Videoteleconference from Baghdad [4th ID ~ Our troops rock!]
DoD ^ | June 18, 2003 | Maj. Gen. Ray Odierno

Posted on 06/19/2003 3:14:54 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl

Commander, U.S. Army's 4th Infantry Division Maj. Gen. Ray Odierno Wednesday, June 18, 2003

Maj. Gen. Odierno Videoteleconference from Baghdad

The 4th Infantry Division's 20,000 soldiers deployed later in the combat operations than other divisions, but all along, they represented a formidable combat force and played a pivotal role in the way this conflict was strategized and conducted. Today, their role is formidable in a different way as they work the front lines of the postwar stabilization process.


Right now, over 27,000 troops of Task Force Iron Horse stand vigilant throughout a sprawling area that encompasses three provinces in northeastern and central Iraq. Our area of responsibility stretches from just north of Baghdad to the Iranian border in the east, and stretches north to the oil fields north of Kirkuk and includes Taji, Tikrit, Samarra and Balad, and west to Lake Tharthar. This is an area comparable in size to the state of West Virginia.

Since Task Force Iron Horse arrived in the area of operations in late March, Iron Horse soldiers have conducted combat operations against the Iraqi army, paramilitary and Ba'ath Party forces, and simultaneously, we have conducted stability operations that have had a significant impact in reducing the suffering of free Iraqi citizens and set the initial conditions for the return to normalcy in Iraq.

Although major combat operations have concluded, our soldiers are involved in almost daily contact with noncompliant forces, former regime members and common criminals. To defeat these attacks and to continue to improve the security and stability within our area, the task force is conducting search and attack missions, presence patrols and raids to disarm, defeat and destroy hostile forces, as well as to capture the former regime members. These efforts have produced a stabilizing effect throughout the region and resulted in the capture of several top 55 "most wanted" individuals of the former regime within our AO.

We continue to conduct stability and support operations to provide for the long-term stability of Iraq. A critical step in this process was orchestrating the peaceful disarmament of the People's Mujahideen of Iran, MEK, which resulted in the consolidation of the PMOI's equipment and personnel, consisting of approximately 5,000 personnel and over 2,000 pieces of military equipment.

Last month the first interim provincial government selection process took place in the city of Kirkuk. The province has been divided by historical ethnic disputes for decades but was able to overcome its polarizing differences and begin the process of creating a democratic society and securing a bright future for their city. Three hundred delegates representing each ethnic and political group, religious leaders and businessmen representing the province selected the interim Kirkuk city council and in turn elected a Kurdish mayor, an Arabic deputy mayor and three assistant mayors to chair the offices of de-Ba'athification, government design, and resettlement and compensation.

As the political situation continues to stabilize throughout our area, we will facilitate the selection process to establish new interim provincial government in Ba'qubah and Samarra.

The task force has been working tirelessly to reestablish basic municipal services and systems to improve the quality of life for Iraqi citizens. I'll highlight just a fraction of what our dedicated soldiers have accomplished. We have established a systematic and deliberate process to identify, prioritize and focus the task force efforts upon rebuilding the infrastructure, to include its judicial, educational, health care and municipal systems, as well as maximizing the economic potential of Iraq's natural resources.

Public security continues to be one of our top priorities. Establishing and maintaining a secure environment for the people of Iraq involves far more than just putting troops and police on the streets. Our ability to pay people to repair telecommunications systems, so people can receive important information through public service announcements, to receive and distribute fuel and food, create jobs, and to make sure water and power or sewage systems are operational are all key components in establishing and maintaining a more secure environment. We have made great strides in all of these areas.

In terms of security, we have focused on repairing facilities, hiring and training police officers, and procuring equipment. All police stations and prisons were significantly damaged and looted. We have screened and hired over 4,000 police and continue to screen many other applicants. We've opened a provisional police academy at Ba'qubah, with a second one in development in Kirkuk. We've assessed police stations and identified equipment requirements in all major cities in our area. And we are conducting joint police patrols in every one of our cities.

The judicial system. Our mission here is to create a functioning judicial system, to fill the vacuum resulting from the removal of the former regime, which will ensure fundamental fairness for the people and future of Iraq. In our judicial system we have completed assessment of all courts. We have opened 15 courts with staff judge advocate military personnel monitoring proceedings. We've reviewed translated court records for due process and vetted former Ba'ath Party judges and removed them from participation.

In terms of economic aid, we have opened 37 of 43 banks, reviewing all bank records to ensure accuracy of accounts and salary and payroll payment procedures. Using Iraqi central bank and OCPA- approved funds, we have been paying salaries to police, government employees, hospital workers, teachers, power plant and water and sanitation workers, and also made emergency interim payments to pensioners throughout our area.

Payment for the local grain harvest has just begun. We have and continue to distribute food. There's no food shortage throughout our AOR. The World Food Program warehouses are restocked, and rationed distribution is ongoing.

In public works, our engineers have established miracles in restoring public utilities to all neglected, looted and damaged systems throughout the AOR. There is now more reliable and stable electricity than there has been in a long time, to include prior to the past regime. They have installed a 600-meter assault float bridge across the Tigris River and a 400-meter bridge in al Sadiyah. These crossing sites are critical for both civilian traffic, for commerce, and military traffic to enforce peace.

We have conducted water, power, sewer assessments throughout the major cities and restored water, power and basic sewer operations, some of which have been non-operational for several years. We've submitted preliminary reports to garner contracts and hire Iraqi workers to make the facilities fully functional and self-sustaining.

We've constructed a bypass around a damaged bridge pipeline, allowing residual oil to flow from (Baiji ?) refineries to Kirkuk, allowing the continued operations of that vital national industry. We've worked with leaders of the oil and gas production and distribution industries to mitigate critical fuel shortages.

In terms of public health, we've coordinated national health policy with the Iraqi Ministry of Health. We have 24 of 28 hospitals operational, fully operational, and 15 clinics that are open and stocked with appropriate drugs. We've conducted infrastructure repair and restored commercial power to three medical facilities that did not have it prior to this. We facilitated an immunization program, resulting in over 3,000 immunizations to date.

We have also put back into progress the Baiji refinery. It is now producing benzine at 4.7 million liters per day, and liquid propane gas at 187 tons per day. In Kirkuk, the (GOSPs ?) and the LPG plant, current production is at 516,000 barrels per day, and liquid propane gas at 500 tons per day.

Public education; 98 percent of all schools are reopen. Year-end examinations will be administered at the end of June, and teachers have been paid. We have established multiple projects to improve the schools' infrastructure, to include painting, refurbishing, the purchasing of new desks and several other materials.

The bottom line is that all services are equal to or better than what was here prior to the regime being removed.

I want to close by saying Task Force Iron Horse has, over the past week, conducted two major operations, Peninsula Strike, which was a combined air, ground and river patrol operation to isolate an area known as a stronghold for Saddam Hussein loyalists. We initially detained nearly 400 people, with over 60 confirmed as being members of the former Iraqi intelligence service, Saddam Fedayeen or Republican Guard leadership. Over the past three days, we have conducted Operation Desert Scorpion. Task Force Iron Horse has conducted over 50 raids on suspected terrorists, Ba'ath party loyalists and Fedayeen members. We currently have detained approximately 400 of these individuals, to include local leaders of some new fanatic groups forming, such as the New Return and the Snake Party. We have confiscated millions of dollars of dinar, hundreds of RPGs and launchers, and have significantly degraded their ability to coordinate attacks.

Just this morning, less than three or four hours ago, soldiers from 122 Infantry conducted two raids on separate farm houses outside of Tikrit, seizing 8.5 million U.S. dollars, 300 to 400 million Iraqi dinar, and English pounds and euros yet to be counted. In addition, we seized a large cache of jewels, gems, estimated over a million dollars of value. In addition, we confiscated late-model Russian-made night vision goggles, sniper rifles, uniforms and equipment of Saddam's personal guard. We detained 15 to 20 individuals associated with Saddam's special security forces.

And just before coming in here, we also conducted a cordon and stopped a vehicle with over $800,000 of U.S. dollars in it that was trying to flee from that scene. In addition, we are currently inside of two other sites where we believe we have cordoned off and captured up to 30 additional Saddam Special Republican Guard forces.

We continue to work hard and I believe over the next three or four days, you will hear much more about the number of senior Iraqi individuals that we have detained here over the last couple days.

I've only scratched the surface of tremendous work being done every day by the brave men and women of Task Force Iron Horse. They are truly the best our nation has to offer.


Q: Martha Raddatz from ABC News. Could you give us more information on the resistance you're facing? You're saying you're facing almost daily contact with paramilitaries, Fedayeen Saddam. How big a problem is this? If you can quantify it in any way about how much resistance you're getting; how many more people are out there who you believe are resisting? And also, if you could give us more detail about these new groups -- I believe you said Snake Party and New Return -- how they formed, and how big they are and where they are?

Odierno: We are seeing military activity throughout our zone. But I really qualify it as militarily insignificant. They are very small, they are very random, they are very ineffective. I believe there's three groups out there right now. Basically, there is a group of ex-Saddam Ba'ath Party loyalists. In addition, there are some Islamic fundamentalists. And then there are just some plain Iraqis who are poor and are being paid to attack U.S. forces. All of these attacks are uncoordinated. They are very ineffective and, in my mind, really do not have much effect on U.S. forces.

And if you are -- on a daily basis, you will see that 99 percent of the area is free, clear, and the citizens go about every day, doing their business, without interruption.

Q: If I could, the military insignificance -- I believe 11 soldiers have been killed in the last three weeks. So clearly they're having a rather profound effect.

And also, you talk about them not being organized, and yet you say they're just plain Iraqis who are being paid. Who's paying them, if they're not organized?

Odierno: My guess is, they're being paid by ex-Ba'ath Party loyalists, who are paying people to kill Americans.

And I want to make sure -- first, I want to comment on the 11 individuals that have been killed. I will never downplay Americans being killed in combat. It is a very significant sacrifice, especially for their families. And that is significant to an individual's family, and I would never say anything different from that.

But from a military perspective, it is insignificant. They're having no impact on the way we conduct business on a day-to-day basis in Iraq.


Q: General, Jim Mannion from Agence France-Presse. These attacks appear to have escalated or increased in number just in the past few weeks. Is that associated in any way with the decision to ban the Ba'ath Party and to disband the Army? And is there a risk with these raids of increasing opposition to the U.S. forces?

Odierno: I have a little different view of it. I think the raids that we're conducting, we have put a lot of pressure on them, and I think they're feeling the pressure. And I think we're having a significant effect on their ability, which is causing them to come out and maybe increase their attacks even though they have been ineffective. So I think they're desperate. I think they're becoming less and less organized. The more money we seize, the more individuals we take into custody, we continue to really, I think, have an impact on the medium to senior level of the individuals that remain. So I think we are, in fact, having a significant impact on them. I think that's causing them, then, to come out and be a little more desperate in their attacks on U.S. forces.


Q: General Eric Schmitt with The New York Times. Can you say whether or not you've seen any signs of foreign fighters, either present or that are still coming into the country, that you've had to deal with? And secondly, the failure to so far capture or come up with Saddam Hussein's remains, to what extent has that been a rallying point, in your view, for these resistant fighters?

Odierno: First I would comment that we have -- my division cavalry squadron is along the Iran-Iraq border, and they've been there now for about 30 days. And since they've been there, I've seen a significant decrease in the ability of anybody transiting that border.

I cannot comment on the Syrian border, but my assessment here is we have shut the border down and there is a lot less individuals being able to come into Iraq, and we've done a much better -- we -- I think we've got control of that on both sides now.

In terms of Saddam Hussein, I think it really doesn't matter. The bottom line is he's no longer in power. I think everybody realizes that, and he's never going to come back to power. I think there's two things related to that. We have to make sure that people understand that coalition forces are going to be here until we have a safe and secure environment, and that the bottom line is Saddam Hussein or his sons will never take control of this country again.


Q: General, Nathan Hodge from Defense Week. I wanted to see if you could address soldiers' morale, particularly as we reach some of the worst weather of the summer months. Are soldiers outside of Division HQ starting to get hot meals? Are they getting the parts they need to fix broken vehicles? How are logistics holding up?

Odierno: Just before I came in here, I was just out on the Iran-Iraq border with 110 Calvary, my division calvary squad, where it's about 115 degrees out there right now in the hot sun. The soldiers are doing great. We're able to get them ice for cold drinks. Their equipment is fine. Our combat power is above 90 percent. Repair parts are flowing. So we're getting one, what we call T ration, which is a hot meal, a day to all our soldiers. We believe in the next two to three weeks we'll get what we call an A ration, which is a normally cooked meal, to each one of our soldiers.

The biggest complaint that our soldiers have is they're not able to call home as much as they'd like, and that's because of the -- the communications infrastructure in this country is non-existent. So we're working towards that, and we're working our morale call, where they get to call home about now once a week. They just started that in the last three to four days. Mail is getting better; it was slow at first, but now they're getting mail in about two weeks, which is pretty good.

So as long as they continue able to talk home once in a while and get mail from home, soldiers are very happy. Their morale is very high. They understand what they are doing. Every day they are out there dealing with the Iraqi citizens, they understand that this is the right thing to do, that this is the right thing for this country. Once you're in this country for a while, you realize this is absolutely the right thing to do.


Q: Sir, Martha Raddatz again from ABC. Can you talk a little bit about what effect the shootings of the American soldiers and, I believe, there were a couple of drive-by shootings in the last 24, 48 hours into courthouses, police stations, the mayor's office -- what effect is that having on the Iraqi people and for them to come forward? And how do you counter that? And does that include paying them?

Odierno: First off, most of these attacks are occurring in the middle of the night when there's not a lot of citizens, at least in our -- in my AO, where there's not a lot of citizens around when it occurs. Most -- the majority of these attacks have been severely ineffective, where they really don't even come close to their target. For example, last night, we had a couple RPGs aimed at our civil military operations center in our towns, and they didn't come within 300 meters of where they were aiming.

The people understand -- all they care about are do they see coalition presence? When they see coalition presence, they understand that they will be protected. And they will continue to come forward as long as they realize that we act on the information that they give us and the fact that we will remain here, and they know that we will remain here with some presence until it's no longer necessary. That's all they ask for, and that's what we're doing.


Q: General, Tom Bowman again, Baltimore Sun. Just to sort of encapsulate what we're talking about here, aren't we just basically seeing an increasing amount of guerrilla warfare here? And to follow up on Tony's point, aren't soldiers really in greater peril now, because you basically have to go root these folks out, as opposed to during the combat phase when you used a lot of heavy armor and airpower to knock off the organized groups?

Odierno: My only comment would be, I would not dignify with attack guerrilla warfare. This is not guerrilla warfare; it is not close to guerrilla warfare because it's not coordinated, it's not organized, and it's not led. The soldiers that are conducting these operations don't even have the willpower. We find that a majority of the time they'll fire a shot, and they'll drop the weapon and they'll give up right away. They do not have the will. And in most cases, I'm not sure they really believe in what they're doing.

And so, when I talk about organized guerrilla warfare, it's a very complex organization that plans very complex guerrilla operations. That is nowhere close to what we're seeing here in my AO.


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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 4thid; army; baghdad; balad; desertscorpion; iraq; kirkuk; peninsulastrike; taskforceironhorse; tikrit
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"You've just risked your lives in combat in a tremendous victory that freed a nation from 30 years of oppression under a sadistic monster, you make great progress daily - bringing in the bad guys, stabilizing Iraq - and what are we going to do now? Claim the de-Ba'athified protestors are "regular" Iraqis, hype each casualty while minimizing your successes, ignore the primary news sources on the war - CENTCOM and DoD - while relying on unreliable sources and unverified facts, criticize the CIC for thanking the troops aboard the USS Lincoln, call him a liar and hold hearings on Capitol Hill questioning the legitimacy of the war...while we give the "ticker-tape parade" treatment to Bill and Hillary ("I loathe the military") Clinton." Your inferiors, the American mainstream newsmedia.
1 posted on 06/19/2003 3:14:56 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Thanks for posting this!
2 posted on 06/19/2003 3:19:53 PM PDT by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
I appreciate this post, Thank you. I noticed two statements in particular.
 
 
The bottom line is that all services are equal to or better than what was here prior to the regime being removed.
 
This is a very bold statement, it is hard to believe.
 
But from a military perspective, it is insignificant. They're having no impact on the way we conduct business on a day-to-day basis in Iraq.
 
This statement I can logically understand. It is too bad that he had to make it. I fault the media and it's insensitiveness to the families of the Troops. 

3 posted on 06/19/2003 3:43:28 PM PDT by Radix
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Excellent report. I can't understand why the media isn't touting our successes more. It sounds like we're really making progress and really making life better for the Iraqis.

I'm really impressed that we're educating the people on democracy and I'm impressed that they want to learn so much. This is wonderful news.

4 posted on 06/19/2003 4:07:19 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: annyokie
You're very welcome.

We need the embeds back, or at least Col. North...a man who knows the value of those men and women who volunteer to defend our freedom.


Related:
 
Jesse’s War Plan [MO of the press-NGOs in Iraq today] (We put the myth out there that America was in chaos. America was not in chaos.." 60s activist)

Hillary Clinton Attacks Bush, U.S. Intelligence Services in Overseas Interview ^ (where's the mainstream press when Hillary sells out America?)
 
NEWS ALERT! Saddam is NEVER coming back!


5 posted on 06/19/2003 4:38:36 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Our troops risked their lives to free a nation and the press PARADES the anti-heroes the CLINTONS?)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; All
Did everybody see Rummy today - somebody questioned him about the continued American deaths in Iraq - he told them there are more deaths in Washington D.C. on a daily basis!!

Gotta love Sec. Rumsfeld - he knows how to tell it straight!!
6 posted on 06/19/2003 5:15:13 PM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - You Are The Greatest!!)
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To: Radix

It's true about the services being above pre-war level overall. Our guys have been working steadily across Iraq - with the help of the Iraqi people - for two months now.

The Coalition has been doing awesome work. The press basically ignored the detailed daily CENTCOM reports. The press doesn't ask about the Coalition successes at press conferences, and they seldom inform America or the world about how welcomed the Coalition troops are by the VAST majority of Iraqis.

SOD Rumsfeld explains it well at this May 9 press briefing with Gen. Franks:

Q...And some U.S. officials are quoted as saying that U.S. planning and execution of the postwar reconstruction were inadequate. Do you think that any mistakes were made in this area? And what is your assessment of the current state of the reconstruction effort?

Rumsfeld: Who are the officials?

Q: They're unnamed.

Rumsfeld: Ah. (Laughter.) That's nice. (Laughter.) What you're seeing in the press and on television are slices of truth. You're seeing that someone is harmed, or in a particular location the water isn't back on, or in a different location the power is only intermittent, or is in 80 or 90 percent of the city and not 100 percent of the city. All of that's true. A good deal of it, of course, was also true prior to the war. And it seems to me it's important to have that in mind.

We keep tracks, where we look each day at the major cities -- I don't now how many, 20?

Franks: Twenty-seven.

Rumsfeld: Twenty-seven cities, and track them and see how they're doing with respect to security, how they're doing with respect to water, how they're doing with respect to power and what have you. And each day it gets better. We use red for a situation that is worse than the beginning of the conflict, and green when it is better -- the same as prior to the conflict, and blue when it's better than -- the situation for the people of the country is better than it was at the beginning of the conflict, and a white for not observed. The white has pretty well disappeared now.

Franks: It has, yes, sir.

Rumsfeld: And now we are able to observe and have some sense in every portion of those 27 cities, every portion of the country.

The reds have disappeared as of this morning. There are very few blues, but there are some blues. And there are amber, or yellow, for --

Franks: -- getting better --

Rumsfeld: Getting better but not up to the green level. This is a reflection of the seriousness of purpose of General Franks and his team. And as he said in his remarks, things are, in fact, getting better every day in that country. That does not mean that people cannot continue to write articles or see television clips of something that isn't perfect, or isn't as good as it was, or isn't better than it was. That is probably also true if one looks around any city in the United States or Western Europe, that things are -- we find things are not perfect. You'll see slices of truth that suggest that there are problems.

My impression of what's taking place is that the folks in General Franks' organization and in General Garner's organization have done an outstanding job and are continuing to make things better in almost every corner of that country, every week and every month, and that's a good thing.

The other thing I'd do, just to put a little perspective on it, is it's been 51 days since the war started. I mean, ask ourselves, each of us, what have we accomplished in 51 days? No, that's embarrassing, I shouldn't do that to you! (Laughs.) That would be wrong. (Laughter.) But 51 days is not very long. And I think that the reality is that it is a very difficult transition from despotism and repression to a freer system. It's untidy, it is -- it is -- there will be fits and starts, and a couple of steps forward and a step back. There'll be bumps along the way.

And it strikes me that what it requires is for people to be realistic; to look at other countries that have made that transition and ask how was that done, how long did it take, how difficult was it, how untidy was it? And recognize that this country does not have a history of representative or democratic systems; it's going to take some time and it's going to take some patience. And we accept that, and we're there to create an environment where that process can take place. And we have patience, and we accept the fact that it's untidy. And I hope that others can recognize that and accept it and put it into some historical context.


7 posted on 06/19/2003 5:19:37 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Our troops risked their lives to free a nation and the press PARADES the anti-heroes the CLINTONS?)
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You rock, RC!

I just love your skewering of the media. They are a disgusting lot (you know who I mean--most, but not all). I miss the embedded reporters, too.

I'd like to see Dr. Bob back there. He really got around and was charmed with the Iraqis and outraged at the previous regime.
8 posted on 06/19/2003 5:27:05 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: McGavin999
I can't understand why the media isn't touting our successes more.

Check my comments at #5 - "Jesse's War" link. The Iraqi war de-bunked decades of anti-American leftist lies...and the Coalition took down one of their own:

"In terms of what kind of economic system they wish to establish, as you point out, the Ba'athist Party was a socialist party. I think it's very hard to imagine any strong support in this country for a return to that economic system, which has left the country really flat on its back, and which does not really provide a model for getting the kind of vibrant private sector which I think most Iraqis now realize is a sine qua non for a stable economy and stable economic growth. So if they choose socialism, that will be their business. My guess is that's not going to happen." ~ Amb. Paul Bremer: Briefing on Coalition Post-war Reconstruction and Stabilization Efforts, June 12, 2003


9 posted on 06/19/2003 5:43:46 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Our troops risked their lives to free a nation and the press PARADES the anti-heroes the CLINTONS?)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
The bottom line is that all services are equal to or better than what was here prior to the regime being removed.

Gee... now that I think about it, there WAS a lot of pre-war bitching and moaning about how bad conditions were in Iraq, and thus the necessity of lifting sanctions. I guess that must have been a lie.

Or not. Maybe conditions were worse before the war, and then got better, but then became worse; or they were better before, and THEN became worse, but got better again.

Well, whatever the case, it may or may not have been paradise before, but make no mistake: it is the United States' fault for it being worse (or not worse).

10 posted on 06/19/2003 5:50:42 PM PDT by niteowl77 (Pray for our troops!)
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To: cyncooper
Thanks, Sweetie. CENTCOM briefings (and this awesome military) followed by press reports - what an eye-opener! Facts matter.

Gen. John Abizaid is getting his 4th star and taking Gen. Franks place as head of CENTCOM (when confirmed by the Senate). (^:

11 posted on 06/19/2003 6:05:49 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (Our troops risked their lives to free a nation and the press PARADES the anti-heroes the CLINTONS?)
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To: happygrl; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; ALOHA RONNIE; MoJo2001; null and void
You might be interested in this awesome report re. the 4th ID in Iraq.

Brit Hume's wiser and more generous take on his press peers:

The American Media in Wartime
Speech delivered at a Hillsdale College seminar in Dearborn, MI ^| Apr. 28, 2003 | Brit Hume

12 posted on 06/19/2003 7:58:57 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ( "The overwhelming majority of the Iraqi people are happy to see us there." Jay Garner, June 18.)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; SLB; Travis McGee; Squantos; Lion Den Dan
And then there are just some plain Iraqis who are poor and are being paid to attack U.S. forces.

Sounds like the methods of the mafia.

Interesting interview. The general has to sugar-coat his words for public consumption.

13 posted on 06/19/2003 8:10:18 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: The Great Satan; aristeides; Shermy; Uncle Bill; Nita Nupress; thinden
I think there's two things related to that. We have to make sure that people understand that coalition forces are going to be here until we have a safe and secure environment, and that the bottom line is Saddam Hussein or his sons will never take control of this country again.

The general's phraseology is interesting. He's speaking in the present tense, as if Saddam is still alive.

14 posted on 06/19/2003 8:13:32 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; Dog; hchutch; section9
Awesome post! I am pinging a few people who will be interested in this. Thanks!
15 posted on 06/19/2003 8:16:39 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Ragtime Cowgirl,Thanks my granddaughter Karen is with the 4th,.
16 posted on 06/19/2003 8:35:12 PM PDT by fatima (Few words,more action.)
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To: fatima
You must be so proud. Please thank your grandaughter for her service!
17 posted on 06/20/2003 4:18:32 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ( "The overwhelming majority of the Iraqi people are happy to see us there." Jay Garner, June 18.)
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To: Fred Mertz
You can measure this military's honor and trustworthiness against this press. Simply go back and read the daily CENTCOM and DoD briefings and read the same day's press accounts. Then check the facts that came out in the following days and weeks.
 
What the press isn't reporting daily is even more revealing.  Check the CENTCOM logs, listen to the family members of those on the ground in Iraq, the Iraqi people....bloggers in Iraq. 
 
The polls reflect what the people are being told, nothing more. The press is (still) misinforming the world about our efforts in Iraq, our honorable military and America.

Remember when the Palestinians danced in the street on 9-11? The mainstream international press, the EU, the DNC - were not happy for the Iraqi people on April 9th. They excused Saddam and accused America, or they insult our troops, our nation and our allies by giving the bad guys far more credit than they deserve. They still do.

Tales of Saddam's Brutality [lengthy, graphic, White House websight]

using civilians as human shields
military units dressed in civilian clothes
fake surrender ambushes
arming with chemical weapons
systematic rape and torture
execution and (possible) castration of POW's
forcing soldiers to fight under threat of death to their families
placing military targets in hospitals
using ambulances for military transport
suicide bombings
attacking their own population
gassing their own population
cutting off water to their own cities

vs.

possibly bombing a market by accident

Guess which draws more protest from the media, the UN and Amnesty International? Link


If they parroted the NY Times and Iraqi Info Ministry anti-American propaganda  with the embeds in Iraq to counter their lies, imagine what they're doing today?
 
You have to choose who to trust.  
 
Facts are stubborn things...and character does count.

18 posted on 06/20/2003 5:09:39 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ( "The overwhelming majority of the Iraqi people are happy to see us there." Jay Garner, June 18.)
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To: Miss Marple
You are very welcome. Bad news may be profitable, and may be the habit of our press, but the 24/7 doom and gloom misinforms the world, insults the troops, and is a threat to our national security during wartime.

Take the "Iraqi resistance" attack on the Fallujah power plant in the news today. Iraqi "resistance"? Iraq isn't a nation protesting our "occupation". The Iraqi people are worried we'll leave before we've taken out the "resistance" - leaving them defenseless against their former torturers, assorted gangsters, despots and terrorist wannabes - the bad guys.

Iraqi "resistance" equals mostly a small % of regime dead-enders without a future located in former Ba'athist Party strongholds - and in small pockets across the nation. They're desperate, because our awesome troops are taking them out and they know they will not find sympathy or cover with their victims - their countrymen.

Iraq resembles the wild west, with frightened townspeople depending on our "sheriffs" to clean up the town and protect them. It in no way resembles Nazi-occupied France - except perhaps to the bad guys.

"Resistance", like "occupation," is an anti-American talking point straight from our enemy's well-worn playbook - Communist, Islamist, socialist and Dems. Our troops, our CIC, the newly freed Iraqi people and the free world deserve better from our press. Rant over.

19 posted on 06/20/2003 6:08:44 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ( "The overwhelming majority of the Iraqi people are happy to see us there." Jay Garner, June 18.)
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To: All
Winning After All
by Victor Davis Hanson, June 20, 2003

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...Fourth, for all the doom and gloom we are making amazing progress. If on the evening of September 11th, an outside observer had predicted that the following would transpire in two years, he would have been considered unhinged: Saddam Hussein gone with the wind; democratic birth pangs in Iraq; the Taliban finished and Mr. Karzai attempting to create constitutional government; Yasser Arafat ostracized by the American government and lord of a dilapidated compound; bin Laden either dead or leading a troglodyte existence; all troops slated to leave Saudi Arabia — and by our own volition, not theirs; Iran and Syria apprehensive rather than boastful about their own promotion of terror; and the Middle East worried that the United States is both unpredictable in its righteous anger and masterful in its use of arms, rather than customarily irresolute and reactive.

Finally, do not expect to read headlines like "85% of Baghdad's Power Restored," "Afghan Women Enroll in Schools by the Millions," or "Americans Put an End to Secret Police and Arbitrary Executions in Iraq." It is not the nature of the present generation of our elites — so unlike our own forefathers in postwar Japan or Germany — to express confidence in our culture, much less in the moral nature of our struggle to end the conditions that caused this war.

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20 posted on 06/20/2003 7:04:26 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ( "The overwhelming majority of the Iraqi people are happy to see us there." Jay Garner, June 18.)
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