To: Nubbytwanger
Clearly the Milesians made use of the existing stock of Gaelic speaking womenfolk in Ireland. The result was the development of a creole language with elements of both, and possibly more elements from the mothers than from the fathers (the mothers being the children's first language teachers).
In any case, no one has ever credited the Milesians with having imposed their language on the Irish, just their rule! This is typical of many conquest situations.
I am not sure why you want the Milesians to come from Galicia (in Anatolia) when it is clear that both the Milesians and the Galicians both came from the same location further West, mainly what we now call Bulgaria and possibly even Ukraine. The blind poet Homer pretty well covered the destruction of the Milesian colony at Illium (Allium) by the more primitive Greeks. That Scythians adopted Celtic culture, weapons and words is beyond dispute. It is an ironclad rule that those who are less technologically developed obtain both the devices and the words from those with the more advanced technology.
The library at Ebla, which provided us with our first historic (and non-Biblical) references to King David also provided us with messages from Celtic kings in the near Middle East to each other and to the folks at Ebla. They were written in a Celtic language.
38 posted on
07/01/2003 7:01:47 AM PDT by
muawiyah
To: muawiyah
Ignorant I yam...who the heck were the Milesians? Sounds like a group from Star Trek...could you provide a few good/great links?
40 posted on
07/01/2003 7:05:22 AM PDT by
Pharmboy
(Dems lie 'cause they have to...)
To: muawiyah
The library at Ebla, which provided us with our first historic (and non-Biblical) references to King David also provided us with messages from Celtic kings in the near Middle East to each other and to the folks at Ebla. They were written in a Celtic language Do you have a source/link for this?
To: muawiyah
Do you have sources on Illium being Celtic? Quite a few people think they spoke Luwian, which is an Anatolian Indo-European dialect, since Luwian inscriptions were found there. Robert Drews believes they spoke a language related to Phrygian, which may be closer to Armenian than any other IE languages.
It is plausible that a Celtic people settled in that area but people make all sorts of claims on the Internet and I like to know the sources of strong claims like this. As a particularly wild example, Clyde Winters claims that Africans are the source of all great cultural achievements and then goes on to meticulously cite his sources -- which are often enough his own other works. I'm also curious about whether you are claiming that they were linguisticly or culturally "Celtic" -- or both.
To: muawiyah
Sorry, meant to say Spain West of Bulgaria. Of course you are right about Anatolia. Sorry for the confusion.
To: muawiyah
Now I'm really confused. Just googling Milesius, it is unclear whether he is a mythical or historical character, but nobody disputes that he was a King in Spain. The Annals of the Four Masters sets forth the story as it is told at least in legend about the conquest of Ireland by his nine sons and uncle.
At the same time I now consult the Annals and see that the prior inhabitants were indeed thought to have descended from the Northern Gaul, hence Celtic. The story about wandering through the Med seems to be about the Spanish line, i.e. Milesius'
So, aprapos the discussion on linguistics, I take back what I said, although I would be interested to hear the source on Milesius being not from Spain, but Bulgaria
To: muawiyah
The blind poet Homer pretty well covered the destruction of the Milesian colony at Illium (Allium) by the more primitive Greeks. That Scythians adopted Celtic culture, weapons and words is beyond dispute
Helloo. Greeks more primitive than Celts????? When was this? Or are you talking aobut Doric Greeks who smashed the Mycenean civilisation in 1200 BC?
107 posted on
02/16/2004 7:31:03 AM PST by
Cronos
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