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To: PatrioticAmerican
“Clause 2: The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States,

Even the Document linked by sheltonmac above, acknowledges the "Common territory of the Republic" placing the area of the United States under a degree of congressional control.

Clause 1: New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.”

To begin with a State is a political entity by definition, and in forming the Confederacy, the states were violating the Constitution.

Continuing, That having been said, the Fully half of the states that seceded were Created by the Union.(in the Louisiana Purchase)...

Now, If you wish to argue about the original ratifiers, that might be one thing, However, Every state West of the Mississippi had it's Freedom from France negotiated and Paid for , by the Union Government....Now I am not saying they should have remained without rights, but surely they were more securely bound to the Union than say, the Southeastern states...

Further, As the document linked above by sheltonmac clearly lays out, there was no long list of usurpations and horrors, they were losing at the table of Democracy, and didn't like it.

41 posted on 07/01/2003 8:58:22 AM PDT by hobbes1 ( Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: hobbes1
"To begin with a State is a political entity by definition, and in forming the Confederacy, the states were violating the Constitution. "

Really? Show precisely where in the United State's Constitution that is true.

In forming the Confederacy, the State's where dissolving their participation with the Union, not creating a separate entity within the Union.

The State's willingly entered the Union, they have the right to leave it, unless you can show in the United States Constitution where entering the voluntary Union means losing State's rights to leave it.



64 posted on 07/01/2003 12:11:55 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: hobbes1
"Fully half of the states that seceded were Created by the Union.(in the Louisiana Purchase)... "

Negative. I don't know where you got that, but each State was a vote by the people to create it. The United States Congress did not create by their mandate any state, nor does it have the power to do so.
65 posted on 07/01/2003 12:13:10 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: hobbes1
"Every state West of the Mississippi had it's Freedom from France negotiated and Paid for , by the Union Government"

You mean Arkansas was a state and held in bond to France before the big purchase? Wow! I had no idea.

Wrong. The feds paid for the territory, but that doesn't negate how states are created and formed. The people of the territory voted to create the states. Congress didn't buy the land and declare the states' existence, placing a gov and assembly into the sates.

67 posted on 07/01/2003 12:20:07 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: hobbes1
"Every state West of the Mississippi had it's Freedom from France negotiated and Paid for , by the Union Government"

You mean Arkansas was a state and held in bond to France before the big purchase? Wow! I had no idea.

Wrong. The feds paid for the territory, but that doesn't negate how states are created and formed. The people of the territory voted to create the states. Congress didn't buy the land and declare the states' existence, placing a gov and assembly into the sates.

68 posted on 07/01/2003 12:20:37 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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