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Treason: Horowitz v. Coulter
Mensnewsdaily.com ^ | 7/11/03 | Bruce Walker

Posted on 07/11/2003 9:35:43 AM PDT by DPB101

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To: jjm2111; DPB101
Dorothy Rabinowitz' charge in the July 7, 2003 Opinion Journal article that Sen. McCarthy "defended SS troops that massacred Americans at Malmedy during World War II," is another smear that I'm frankly surprised Rabinowitz is re-floating.

For those interested in the charge, Freda Utley published an article in the American Mercury nearly fifty years ago dealing with this attempt to link the Senator with Nazis which may be found at http://www.fredautley.com/malmedy.htm.

Read it and then decide if Rabinowitz' snide little aside was warranted.

41 posted on 07/11/2003 11:58:38 AM PDT by Map Kernow ("A rat is a dog is a pig is a....DEMOCRAT")
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To: DPB101
Why is Anne Coulter above reproach?
42 posted on 07/11/2003 12:00:39 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Sorry Professor, but most people won't read a dry academic tome. It is Ann's wit and sharpness that is enabling me to get through this. The history of the period is extraordinarily important, but dry. I think that's how the liberal/communists are able to misrepresent it so well.

And I also believe that the charges made by Horowitz are simply not true. I was disappointed by Horowitz review, because I enjoy his writing for many of the same reasons I enjoy Coulters'.
43 posted on 07/11/2003 12:02:29 PM PDT by johnb838 (Understand the root causes of American Anger.)
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To: DPB101
David Horowitz is wrong. While many regular people who vote for rats are not treasonous, their leadership has consistently advocated policies that have undermined America at home and abroad.
44 posted on 07/11/2003 12:06:09 PM PDT by RepPhil
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To: Map Kernow
This is part of my critique on the Horowitz review from another thread:

But Horowitz and some of the other non-social conservatives are frightened by the religious right, they feel just as threatened by social conservatives as moderate Democrats are feeling about the progressive take over of their party. Horowitz and Goldberg, et alias see a move to the right as a threat to the "big tent" Republicanism. So, an attack on Ann is predictable...."



45 posted on 07/11/2003 12:06:12 PM PDT by Eva
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To: GSWarrior
Why is Anne Coulter above reproach?

Huh? Have you read this entire thread? Horowitz and Rabinowitz both attacked Coulter with faulty information, with rhetoric which could have come from Joe Conason. In fact, Dorothy and David are now being cited by liberals as "expert" in their criticism of Ann.

I don't find fault with her book. That is why I don't reproach her for it. You find something wrong?

46 posted on 07/11/2003 12:09:18 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: dogbrain
Isn't this book subtitled: 'Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism'? I wonder if Horowitz thinks ALL Republicans are conservative? Right on. Horowitz (like many on this forum) is misunderstanding the entire focus of the book. It's about how LIBERALS became treasonous, not how sheeple who vote Rat are all scum.
47 posted on 07/11/2003 12:11:12 PM PDT by RepPhil
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To: AnnaZ
I think I saw a thread about Ms. Coulter lauding FReeperesearch on TV

Nice to hear! Doesn't take much research however. All one needs is a copy of Treason and the articles by Horowitz and Rabinowitz.

Flag me when you do the interview, OK?

48 posted on 07/11/2003 12:12:30 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
I admit I didn't read the whole thing. Seems like Horowitz may be a little jealous of Coulter's popularity as a conservative pundit.
49 posted on 07/11/2003 12:27:10 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: GSWarrior
Why is Anne Coulter above reproach?

Because she's a leggy, attractive blonde. As someone else said one on of these threads, if Ann Coulter looked like Dorothy Rabinowitz, many of the same people defending Ann would be on the attack against her.

50 posted on 07/11/2003 12:28:50 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: Map Kernow
"Ann is factual, therefore Ann is responsible; if anyone can show me that Ann has not been factual, then I will concede that she has not been "responsible." "

Check out this site. It's actually just one of many that pick Annie's stuff apart:

http://www.slannder.homestead.com/files/slanndermain.html

There's over 30 instances cited here from "Slander" that are either proven factually incorrect(e.g. attributing quotes to the wrong people) or just a plain misrepresentation of ideas and facts. Having seen Ann enough in interviews and on TV, I'm sure if she was called on most of these types of things, she'd either just say it's a lie or act like it doesn't matter.
51 posted on 07/11/2003 12:29:52 PM PDT by Sub
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To: GSWarrior
Why is Anne Coulter above reproach?

What do you want to reproach her for? I don't think even Ann would contend she's "above reproach." It's just that she and her supporters have the McCarthyite temerity to demand some substance to the "reproaches." See, when you "reproach" someone without facts, or---God forbid---with a lie, that's called a "smear." And smears are not nice.

52 posted on 07/11/2003 12:32:50 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("A rat is a dog is a pig is a....DEMOCRAT")
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To: AnnaZ; Map Kernow
Rabinowitz slyly hinting that McCarthy was a Nazi is infuriating. Two Soviet spies, Willi Munzenberg and Samuel Dickstein (D-NY), created the myth that Republicans are fascists and Nazis.

Dickstein was engaging in the "McCarthyism" Rabinowitz abhors over a decade before Joe McCarthy held his hearings. On February 11, 1941, Dickstein took to the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives and declared:

"One hundred and ten fascist organizations in the United States have had, and have now the key to the back door of the Un-American Activities Committee!"
The ironic part is that Dickstein, on orders from Stalin, introduced the bill creating HCUA. It originally went after conservatives. Dickstein was infuriated when the committee turned on communists.

Why no press coverage about the Mccormick/Dickstein "witchhunt"? The two of them accused conservatives of plotting a "putsch" to take over the Federal government. Dickstein served 11 terms in Congress, then became a judge on the New York State Supreme Court. There is a plaza named after him in NYC. When he wasn't relying on his usual $1,250 a month salary from the Soviets (over $15,000 in current dollars), he was earning extra money by selling Stalin visas for his NKVD agents (Dickstein chaired an immigration committee).

If someone wants to attack Congressmen for playing outseide the rules, there are far better people than McCarthy to attack.

53 posted on 07/11/2003 12:36:43 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: NYCVirago
Why is Anne Coulter above reproach?

Because she's a leggy, attractive blonde. As someone else said one on of these threads, if Ann Coulter looked like Dorothy Rabinowitz, many of the same people defending Ann would be on the attack against her.

Oh yeah? What about Natalie Maines, Jessica Lange, all the leggy Hollywood blondes that have such nice civil things to say on politics? Why aren't all us horny conservative men defending them too?

But thanks for recognizing that Ann is attractive. However, I'm sure she's hurt that you can't appreciate her for her mind, too...

54 posted on 07/11/2003 12:39:20 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("A rat is a dog is a pig is a....DEMOCRAT")
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To: NYCVirago
if Ann Coulter looked like Dorothy Rabinowitz, many of the same people defending Ann would be on the attack against her.

Has anyone ever mentioned that you debate like a liberal?

There is tons on research on this thread rebutting Rabinowitz and Horowitz point by point. Logical analysis of what they said.

You go to motive. Typical liberal tactic. Ignore the research and facts, go to emotional appeals to what you want others to think our real motives are.

Next you will say we are critizing Horowitz because we want to write a book.

Btw...I happen to think Rabinowitz has a very sexy voice.

55 posted on 07/11/2003 12:42:43 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: Sub
There's over 30 instances cited here from "Slander" that are either proven factually incorrect(e.g. attributing quotes to the wrong people) or just a plain misrepresentation of ideas and facts.

Gee, thanks. Y'know, I DID check it out. The person who maintains the site can't distinguish between a "fact" and an opinion. Example:

SLANDER. Journalists are, on the whole, biased to the left. FACT. To help prove this, she says that Rush Limbaugh and his right-wing ilk don't count because they are commentators, not journalists, but does quote liberal commentators such as Maureen Dowd to demonstrate journalists' bias.

Oh, man, Ann, yer busted...

NOT!!!

56 posted on 07/11/2003 12:44:04 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("A rat is a dog is a pig is a....DEMOCRAT")
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To: Map Kernow
Oh yeah? What about Natalie Maines, Jessica Lange, all the leggy Hollywood blondes that have such nice civil things to say on politics? Why aren't all us horny conservative men defending them too?

Calling Natalie Maines or Jessica Lange "leggy" is like saying that Danny DeVito is "leggy." It's just not accurate. And saying that they are "attractive" wouldn't be accurate either. Maines is overweight, and Lange hasn't aged well. But thanks for playing.

But thanks for recognizing that Ann is attractive. However, I'm sure she's hurt that you can't appreciate her for her mind, too...

Um, I'm a heterosexual woman, so I'm not motivated by hormones, unlike many of the guys defending Coulter's every word. And sorry, I can't take anyone seriously who says that Timothy McVeigh's only mistake was not bombing the New York Times building. If Michael Moore had said that McVeigh's only mistake was not bombing the New York Post building, the same freepers who salivate over Ann would be calling for his head on a silver platter.

57 posted on 07/11/2003 12:45:59 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: DPB101
Thanks for the post and the info on Munzenberg and Dickstein. I highly recommend Stephen Koch's book "Double Lives" for a riveting account of Munzenberg's diabolically effective efforts on behalf of "Uncle Joe," INCLUDING in the good ol' USA. It's now unfortunately out-of-print, and doesn't deserve to be.
58 posted on 07/11/2003 12:48:46 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("A rat is a dog is a pig is a....DEMOCRAT")
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To: DPB101
You go to motive. Typical liberal tactic. Ignore the research and facts, go to emotional appeals to what you want others to think our real motives are.

BS. I argued FACTS with you on another thread -- to wit, that Coulter distorted what Whittaker Chambers said about Joe McCarthy. Instead of conceding those facts, you told me that I should write a book on Chambers. It seems you are the one arguing like a liberal, my friend. And for somebody who's been posting for a grand total of two months, you strut around like you're Ann's bodyguard or something.

59 posted on 07/11/2003 12:49:40 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: NYCVirago
Calling Natalie Maines or Jessica Lange "leggy" is like saying that Danny DeVito is "leggy." It's just not accurate. And saying that they are "attractive" wouldn't be accurate either. Maines is overweight, and Lange hasn't aged well. But thanks for playing.

Oh, gosh, looks like I'm going to have a hard time finding a hot, leggy liberal blonde out there that a heterosexual woman like you can certify.

Your point's a dumb catty one anyway: none of us defends Ann because he wants to go to bed with her. But I DO get the feeling certain people attack her because she's a "leggy attractive blonde," y'know?

60 posted on 07/11/2003 12:55:26 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("A rat is a dog is a pig is a....DEMOCRAT")
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