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Treason: Horowitz v. Coulter
Mensnewsdaily.com ^ | 7/11/03 | Bruce Walker

Posted on 07/11/2003 9:35:43 AM PDT by DPB101

David Horowitz has published a long critique of Ann Coulter’s blockbuster Treason.  While David goes to great pains to express admiration for Ann’s work, he also makes it clear that he believes parts of Treason are wrong. The heart of his concern is that the Democrat Party is indicted as a co-conspirator in Treason

Horowitz believes that Democrats are not recognized in Treason for the role that they played in thwarting communism, and he points out a number of important facts which someone who only read Treason would not know.

Democrat Senator “Scoop” Jackson of Washington State was as an implacable a foe of Soviet imperialism.  Democrat  Jeanne Kirkpatrick was an eloquent defender of American resistance to totalitarianism.  Ronald Reagan was a Democrat until 1963.

That list is not exhaustive. George Meany, longtime boss of the AFL-CIO, was a steadfast enemy of Soviet machinations.  Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, a principled liberal Democrat from New York, is responsible for Ann Coulter having the very Venona decrypts essential to exposing the depths of Soviet penetration of America.

Does this mean that the Coulter has reached a false conclusion about the role of the Democrat Party in the communist subversion of America? No. Treason does not necessarily mean ideological treason of sort now proven conclusively by Venona. Bill Clinton’s draft-dodging was because he was pragmatic treason.  This sort of pragmatic treason infested the Democrat Party.

Scoop Jackson was a liberal from a swing state whose career was clean as a whistle and who could appeal to anti-communists. He stood a good chance of winning the presidency, if Democrats would have ever nominated him.  Scoop ran for the nomination, but he never had a chance. His anti-communism - and only is anti-communism - doomed him from the beginning.

Jeanne Kirkpatrick was a Democrat, but her most famous speech echoes the language at the beginning of Treason which bothers Horowitz. What were those resonating refrains from Kirkpatrick’s 1984 speech to the Republican Convention? “But they always blame America first.” What was the context of her remarks?  Reelect a Republican president.

Which Republican president? The one who began his political activities as an anti-communist in Hollywood, and who came to realize that principled anti-communism was welcome only in the Republican Party, which he joined in 1963.  Joe McCarthy also began as a Democrat and then became a Republican.  Anti-communists never leave the Republican Party to become Democrats, but often have abandoned the Democrat Party or, like Kirkpatrick, become apostate Democrats.

Horowitz correctly points out that the New Left in 1968 opposed Hubert Humphrey because Humphrey opposed communism and supported the Vietnam War. But this overstates the seriousness of the anti-communism of  LBJ and Hubert Humphrey.  It also presumes a symmetry between the two political parties which simply did not exist.

The two national party conventions in 1968 approached the Vietnam War from dramatically different positions.  Humphrey - Vice President and heir apparent,  the party’s leading champion of civil rights, darling of the AFL-CIO, and universally recognized as a good and decent man - faced a passionate and ferocious attack for his anti-communism.

The New Left did not attack racial bigots within the Democrat Party like J. William Fullbright or Albert Gore Sr. These illiberal Democrats were anti-anti-communists who opposed the Vietnam War. That alone made them heroes, just as Humphrey’s support for the war alone made him a villain.

Richard Nixon began his political career as an anti-communist, but many delegates at the Republican Convention in 1968 worried that he was not anti-communist enough. When Barry Goldwater, the most passionate and radical anti-communist modern in American politics, stepped before the Republican Convention, the delegates burst into thunderous applause.

Ronald Reagan, who would win the Cold War, had only held elective office for  only two years. He had only been a Republican three years.  But Republican delegates seriously considered nominating him as the logical successor to Barry Goldwater.

The New Left did not even bother to show up at the Republican Convention. While the SDS and its crypto-Marxist siblings carried great clout among Democrats, these pro-communist groups had no support at all among Republicans. 

The pragmatic treason of Democrats is well illustrated by LBJ during the 1968 presidential campaign. While America fought a  totalitarian communist enemy, President Johnson announced, a few days before the November election, that he was unilaterally suspending bombing operations against North Vietnam.

The motivation was simple: swing the increasingly close election to Hubert Humphrey by creating an the impression that peace was at hand. Who paid the price for that political pragmatism? America and the South Vietnamese, who were deprived of critically important air power.

Was 1968 the pivotal year in how Democrats approached communism? No. Although David is correct that much of the communists infestation of the federal government was rooted out by the time Truman left office, Truman did not begin in earnest until 1947.  Truman had been president for two years - why did the housecleaning begin in 1947?  Republicans in 1946 won Congress in a huge landslide. Truman pragmatically decided that anti-anti-communism was a political liability.

But Truman continued to defend people later shown to be communists and to attack anti-communists. Truman, as Ann notes, opposed Churchill giving his famous Iron Curtain speech in Missouri. Truman famously sacked MacArthur for trying to win the Korean War, rather than  simply produce a stalemate.

Eisenhower directed his Attorney General to go n television and announce that President Truman had promoted to the leadership of the International Monetary Fund an individual known to be a communist. Why?  Eisenhower was hardly a rabid anti-communist, but he also understood that  Harry Truman had taken the easy course regarding communism in America.

And, of course, the problem of communism in America did not go away simply because the greatest actual traitors - Hiss, White, and the rest - left the most sensitive posts in the federal government. 

The Soviet Union funneled funds into the anti-war movement in America. Communists and communist sympathizers within Hollywood and academia continued to warp American opinions and policies. Would the SDS, Ramparts and the other entities so reflexively supportive of communism have been able to bedevil Hubert Humphrey in 1968 without support from communists in America and without help from Moscow?  

If Democrats were not particularly keen on anti-communism before 1968, their attitude after 1968  was profoundly anti-anti-communist.  George McGovern favored unilateral disarmament. Jimmy Carter did not discover that the Soviet Union was bad until the last year or his presidency. Clinton, visited Moscow during the Vietnam War and stating his loathing for the military during that war against communism.

Perhaps the clearest indiction of how Democrats have felt about communism is the tepid, almost annoyed, attitude Democrats take toward President Reagan’s bloodless victory in the Cold War. This is in sharp contrast to how Republicans have acted under Democrat presidents when America faced enemies. Republicans supported FDR in the Second World War, JFK in the Cuban Missile Crisis and - unlike his fellow Democrats - Republicans supported LBJ in the Vietnam War.

The single real example of Democrats being tough on communism was John Kennedy. It is revealing that Chris Matthews asked three times if Ann Coulter felt JFK was a traitor. She denies that he was, then adds that his heart was in the right place, but that is not enough for Matthews. It is not his repetitive questions that seem to trouble David; it is her answers. 

JFK was strongly anti-communist and he did resist Soviet aggression. The critique that Ann Coulter makes has less to do with JFK’s intentions than with his general incompetence at achieving those goals and with his essentially immoral and dishonest personal life.

Senator McCarthy was presumably censured for bad behavior, when that was clearly not the reason. What is the best evidence of Democrat hypocrisy on the real reasons for destroying McCarthy?  John Kennedy - faithless husband, drug addict, pal of crime bosses, vote stealer...and the list seems to grow each year - was made a martyr, when he was actually simply a victim.

McCarthy was an actual martyr, denied even the dignity of a victim. He stood up to the elites of Washington, Hollywood and New York, aware that his enemies were both powerful and unscrupulous.  Horowitz notes that McCarthy was right on almost everything. McCarthy certainly acted no worse than several thousand other congressional committee chairmen, except that McCarthy fought a real dragon. Does that not deserve some honor, even posthumously?

The Kennedy Klan looks increasingly less benign as times passes. Bobby Kennedy (aka St. Bobby) grew so hostile to anti-communism that by 1968 he was the principal focus of those very anti-anti-communist efforts intended to keep Hubert Humphrey from winning the Democrat nomination. Ted Kennedy never pretended to be anti-communist, and he formed a core of resistance to Ronald Reagan’s plan to win the Cold War.

Were Democrats all traitors - ideologically or pragmatically - during the long decades of struggle with communism? No, of course not.  But was there a profound and fundamental difference in the courage and tenacity that America’s two major political parties displayed in our long battle with the evil empire? Yes, of course there was.

Perhaps the lexicon of the New Left is helpful. During the 1960s, those timid souls who feared the real power of communism called themselves “non-communist” as opposed to “anti-communist”or “communist.” In the war against communism, Republicans leaders were “anti-traitors” and Soviet agents in America were “traitors.” What then were the Democrat leaders?  How about calling “non-traitors”?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
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Horowitz: Why is she equivocating about Jack Kennedy anyway? Kennedy was not only not a traitor, he was not even a weak anti-Communist, as she claims.

Treason, page 11:

"John F. Kennedy's pronouncements on Communism could have been spoken by Joe McCarthy. His brother Robert worked for McCarthy."

( page 101)"John F. Kennedy fiercely defended McCarthy. . .in response to a speaker's lighthearted remarks that, unlike the law school, Harvard College could be proud of never having produced either an Alger Hiss or a Joe McCarthy, Kennedy erupted, "How dare you couple the name of a great American patriot with that of a traitor?"

Horowitz:" . . .by refusing to credit the laudable role played by patriotic, anti-Communist liberals like Truman, Kennedy and Humphrey, Coulter has compromised her case . . ."

Treason, page 11:

"There were, admittedly, a few rare and striking exceptions to the left's overall obtuseness to Communist totalitarianism. The Democratic Party was certainly more patriotic then than it has become. Throughtout the sixties, the Democrats could still produce the occasional Scoop Jackson Democrat . (JFK's statments on communism ) could have been spoken by Joe McCarthy . . .for all his flaws, President Harry Truman was a completely different breed than today's Democrats: He unquestionably loved his country

( page 68) . . .Walter Reuther and Hubert Humphrey. . .were far rougher with Communists than McCarthy ever was. . .in 1954 Senator Humphrey introduced a bill that would have outlawed the Communist Party. Outlawed it. That was the year the Senate voted to censure McCarthy. . .

Horowitz: There were many liberals – Scoop Jackson and Jeanne Kirkpatrick among them – who were just as worthy defenders of America and prosecutors of the anti-Communist cause . . .

Treason, page 180:

New York Times columnist Flora Lewis scoffed at Jeane Kirkpatrick's "remarkable" claim...that "the Russians had nearly taken over until the Reagan administration." Where? Lewis demanded to know. As Ambassador Kirkpatrick said in her speech--just a sentence or two later--in the decade preceding Reagan's inauguration, the Soviets had expanded their influence into South Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Afghanistan, Angola, Ethiopia, Mozambique, South Yemen, Libya, Syria, Aden, Congo, Madagascar, the Seychelles, Nicaragua and Grenada. Other than that, no place really.

Horowitz:"The problem with Coulter’s book is that she is not willing to concede that McCarthy was, in fact, demagogic in any sense at all, or that that his recklessness injured the anti-Communist cause."

That wasn't the book Ann wanted to write. There are more than a few books available--hundreds probably--which "concede" McCarthy was "demagogic" and "injured the anti-communist cause." If David Horowitz feels the need for another, he should write one himself.

Ann Coulter didn't "concede" he injured the anti-Communist cause because she doesn't believe he did.
Treason Page 70

The rote smirking at McCarthy by conservatives is linked to their own psychological compulsion to snobbery. McCarthy was a popularizer, a brawler. Republican elitists abhor demagogic appeals to working-class Democrats. Fighting like a Democrat is a breech of etiquette worse than using the wrong fork. McCarthy is sniffed at for not playing by Marquis of Queensberry Rules--rules of engagement demanded only of Republicans. Well, without McCarthy, Republicans might be congratulating themselves on their excellent behavior from the gulag right now. He may have been tut-tutted on the golf course, but McCarthy made the American workers' blood boil.

1 posted on 07/11/2003 9:35:43 AM PDT by DPB101
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2 posted on 07/11/2003 9:39:22 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: DPB101
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. I learned a lot from reading it.
3 posted on 07/11/2003 9:57:55 AM PDT by americanSoul (Better to die on your feet, than live on your knees. Live Free or Die. I should be in New Hampshire.)
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To: DPB101
Indeed, DPB. Along with those on-target those citations, Ann's references are impeccable, every one. They all check out, and not one is lifted misleadingly out of context.

Please see also Sauce For The Goose.

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4 posted on 07/11/2003 9:58:30 AM PDT by fporretto (This tagline is programming you in ways that will not be apparent for years. Forget! Forget!)
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To: DPB101
First his attacks a month or so ago on those pesky Christian conservatives who object to the Republicans taking all that lovely gay activist campaign cash just because of their "religious intolerance"---now he takes Ann to task for taking the "McCarthyism" myth to task, something he and Peter Collier also did about fifteen years ago in a book (Destructive Generation) that made much less of a splash than Ann's is making now. Horowitz actually managed to smear Ann in his latest article as indulging in rhetoric similar to the communists, equating her use of the term "functionally treasonous" with the communist chestnut "objectively fascist."

Maybe Dave's returning to his Red roots. Or maybe he just wants to please all his rich Left Coast neocon friends that help keep him living la belle vie in Malibu.

5 posted on 07/11/2003 9:58:53 AM PDT by Map Kernow ("A rat is a dog is a pig is a....DEMOCRAT")
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To: DPB101
I'm going to have to buy that book. Sounds interesting.

My parents always supported McCarthy. However, an article criticizing Coulter's book mentions McCarthy represented SS soldiers in the investigation of the WWII Malmedy Massacre. The link to this article is here.

6 posted on 07/11/2003 10:02:55 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: DPB101
To me, this entire debate sounds like something out of an insane asylum.
7 posted on 07/11/2003 10:07:07 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Summertime!)
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To: Map Kernow
Ditto. I've been a Horowitz fan for a long time. But lately, he seems to be going back to his roots. I wonder what's up with him?
8 posted on 07/11/2003 10:10:37 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Map Kernow
Maybe Dave's returning to his Red roots. Or maybe he just wants to please all his rich Left Coast neocon friends that help keep him living la belle vie in Malibu.

Or maybe Horowitz is just being consistent and honest in holding Ann to the same high standards he would hold anyone else to. I love Ann's writings, but she got sloppy with this book, and deserves the critique Horowitz gives her. You think Ronald Reagan, Abe Lincoln, and other conservatives didn't make mistakes in their youth? You think they were never called on the carpet by older conservatives/mentors, to be used as a learning and forming experience? Learning from mistakes is a part of the development process, 'as iron sharpens iron'. Horowitz in the long term has done Ms. Coulter, and conservatism, a favor.

Frankly your cheap smear against Horowitz is disgusting. How childish to slander and trash the man via extreme innuendo just because he says something you disagree with. He's done a tremendous amount of good work for the conservative cause, and his autobiography 'Radical Son' is an incredibly effective tool for winning liberals over to conservatism. Yeah, he's still liberal on a few social conservative issues, but judge the man on the whole of his contributions to conservatism, not a single-issue.

Frankly I am amazed that there are any conservatives left, given how some are always demanding witch trials at the first hint of a dissenting opinion.

9 posted on 07/11/2003 10:13:40 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: DPB101
As someone, I forget who, pointed out yesterday, Neocons don't like this book. That's because people like Horowitz started out as leftists, and hate to admit that they were as wrong back then as they would be to be leftists now.

Ann Coulter certainly uses a lot of sharp, colorful, forceful language, but as the quotations you posted from her book in your comments clearly show, she is always judicious. She doesn't slam someone unless they deserve it; and surely treason deserves more than a wishy-washy response. She really looks at things; she doesn't just assume an attitude toward them. She doesn't go with the crowd.

Horowitz has split with the crowd, but he still can't stand to look at the past with the same eyes he looks at the present. Neither can a lot of neoconservatives--perhaps including Dorothy Rabinowitz of the WSJ, whose work I normally greatly respect.
10 posted on 07/11/2003 10:18:38 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
I like Horowitz. But anyone can be wrong occasionally, and I think he's wrong here. Is Ann Coulter sharp? Of course. Is she wrong? I don't think so.
11 posted on 07/11/2003 10:20:14 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: DPB101
Great counterpoint to Horowitz's rant.
12 posted on 07/11/2003 10:20:23 AM PDT by FateAmenableToChange
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To: BartMan1
ping
13 posted on 07/11/2003 10:22:36 AM PDT by IncPen
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To: jjm2111
This might interest you:

STATEMENT OF SGT. BARRY F. RHODEN (The McCarthy Transcript Liberals Do Not Want You To Read)

When the sealed McCarthy transcripts were released last May, the media made no mention that 16 Korean War vets testified. The press was too busy whining about the injustice of McCarthy calling Aaron Copland to testified (who rarely turned down an offer to join any communist front and who lied about his red affiliations when applying for a passport).

While Copland was touring the world with Soviet groups, Sgt. Rhodan was recovering from a gunshot wound to the back inflicted when communists executed the rest of his unit after it had been captured. Sgt Rhodan had been tortured and interrogated before being shot. When he returned to the USA, he received communist propaganda in the mail. McCarthy wanted to know who in the USA was receiving information on our vets from the North Koreans.

14 posted on 07/11/2003 10:23:20 AM PDT by DPB101
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Horowitz is just being consistent and honest in holding Ann to the same high standards he would hold anyone else to. I love Ann's writings, but she got sloppy with this book..

He doesn't hold himself to "high standards." From his review, I doubt he read the book before commenting on it. How else would you explain the flat out mis-statements he made above?

What is "sloopy" about Coulter's book? I've got it right here. Cite me some concrete examples.

15 posted on 07/11/2003 10:26:33 AM PDT by DPB101
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To: Diddle E. Squat
oops.."sloppy" not "sloopy..."
16 posted on 07/11/2003 10:27:42 AM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
Huzzah, Bruce Walker!

Disappointing that David didn't really add much useful to the discussion. He might have done better just to keep quiet, but I suspect he's paying back a few favors for old fellow travellers--some of the non-traitors, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

HF

17 posted on 07/11/2003 10:29:51 AM PDT by holden
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To: DPB101
Ann has done a signal service trying to rehabilitate McCarthy, and Horowitz doesn't disagree with her on that point. His point, which I think is a fair one, is that not all Democrats were traitors in the sense Ann implies. I've actively followed American national politics since the late '50s, and remember the Army-McCarthy hearings earlier on. As a graduate student in history, modern US was one of my exam fields, although not my primary specialty. So, not only did I live through the period in question, I have studied it academically. Based on both my personal recollections and academic reading, I think Horowitz is right, and Ann has painted with too broad a brush.

I think a more true book could have been written which suggested that many Democrats from elite backgrounds who were not communists, simply couldn't believe anyone from their sort would actually be a communist. A similar class blindness was also evident in England. Further, I think there was a relatively quiet until the late '60s struggle for the soul of the Democratic party, which was won by those who were truly sympathetic to communism. The old anti-communist Democrats who rallied behind Truman in 1948 and carried the banner through the LBJ era may have been somwhat foolish, but they were not traitors, regardless how misguided they were on domestic policy.

I am no fan of the Kennedys. I think of them as St. John the Martyr, Robert the Dead, and Edward the Pretender. John Kennedy, at least, was probably more in that school than not. I'm not so sure about Robert, whom I regarded in life as an exceptionally dangerous and unscrupulous man. At the risk of sounding ghoulish, I think the nation was far better off that he was removed from the political scene. Teddy, of course, is loved by the left as a Useful Idiot, too stupid to realize how he is being manipulated.

18 posted on 07/11/2003 10:37:03 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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To: DPB101
For the level of charges and accusations she makes(like Treason) she paints with too broad a brush in her book. In SOME ways it comes across similar to the rants of a Carville, but with a basis in 90% truth, versus his 2% kernal of truth. Innuendo and carrying ideas to their logical conclusion are great ways to illustrating a point, but poor ways to support damning accusations.

Its a real shame, because there is so much excellent info and points made in the book. But it is presented in the argumentative equivalent of an entirely shouted presentation, with an overuse of invective. That's a great way to excite the choir, a much poorer way to debate. Perhaps the simple shouting will win some converts, there are situations where such methods play a role. But its spice, not foundational material.

Sorry, I am not going to get into a point by point dissertation, that is for others. I am just giving you feedback on tone and perception. Like it or not, these do play a role in effectiveness. She has marginalized a bit her message because of her choice of presentation methods and style.

But I guess since I am trying to be objective in evaluation, I'm a sellout and never was a true conservative, in the eyes of some.
19 posted on 07/11/2003 10:37:45 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: jjm2111
an article criticizing Coulter's book mentions McCarthy represented SS soldiers in the investigation of the WWII Malmedy Massacre.

Defending the SS is not something I would want to do. But I will point out that John Adams (future second president of the US) defended the British Redcoats who were invovled in the Boston Massacre in 1770. He won the case.

I don't mean to equate the two, but I just want to point out that it is a good old American value to give everyone a fair trial. I suspect (don't recall) that after the SS got a fair trial, with a defense attorney who probably didn't volunteer the assignment, the guilty folks were probably suitably punished.

I don't respect McCarthy less for his role as a defense attorney.

20 posted on 07/11/2003 10:38:01 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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