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STATEMENT OF SGT. BARRY F. RHODEN (The McCarthy Transcript Liberals Do Not Want You To Read)
U.S. Senate ^ | 7/4/03 | Senate Testimony

Posted on 07/04/2003 12:15:23 PM PDT by DPB101

Executive Sessions of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations of the Committee on Government Operations (McCarthy Hearings 1953-54). Closed according to Senate rules for 50 years, these hearings are now available to researchers and the public.



TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: hearings; mccarthy; northkorea; transcript; ussr; vetscor
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1 posted on 07/04/2003 12:15:23 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
read later
2 posted on 07/04/2003 12:37:35 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: DPB101
bump and thank you for your scholarship.
3 posted on 07/04/2003 1:01:05 PM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: DPB101
He relates seeing a pistol being used by North Keorean troops with a USSR label.

Some of their equipment also had US labels! This was because it was WWII equipment which had been sent by the US to the Soviets. The Soviets sent a lot of lend-lease equipment to North Korea.

A lot of people have swallowed the idea that the North Koreans were in the war only with the Chinese. The TV program MASH pushes this theme. I used to use two litmus tests on "history" books in order to test for liberal bias:

(1) Did the book happen to mention that Stalin was on the side of Hitler when WWII broke out?

and

(2) Did the book mention that the cease-fire of the Korean War corresponded to the change of leadership in the Soviet Union? The tructh was that the Soviets could no longer economically support the war effort. Once they reduced their support, the Koreans agreed to a cease-fire.
4 posted on 07/04/2003 1:15:03 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: DPB101; All
Cross-link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/935830/posts
Tailgunner Joe--Where Have You Gone, Joe McCarthy?
various FR links | 06-26--03 | The Heavy Equipment Guy
5 posted on 07/04/2003 1:49:37 PM PDT by backhoe (Joe McCarthy was more correct than anyone knew--)
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To: the_Watchman
He relates seeing a pistol being used by North Keorean troops with a USSR label.

What I found interesting there was that the pistol said "USSR" at all. You would think it would read "CCCP".

Obviously, there is no way to know what exact model the Seargent saw or what the weapon's geneology would have been, but I find it odd that the Soviets would have put USSR on something they manufactured. You can see on this pistol the CCCP and I would've thought that would've been more common.

6 posted on 07/04/2003 2:05:04 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
SGT. Rhoden may have transliterated as he spoke.
7 posted on 07/04/2003 2:13:40 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: the_Watchman; RaceBannon; CGVet58; headsonpikes; Stultis; Tailgunner Joe; Little Bill; HISSKGB
Rats claim it was all about idealism and fighting Nazis. But they got American troops killed. John Earl Haynes and Harvey Klehr, Chapter One: Venona and the Cold War:
William Perl, a brilliant young government aeronautical scientist, provided the Soviets with the results of the highly secret tests and design experiments for American jet engines and jet aircraft. His betrayal assisted the Soviet Union in quickly overcoming the American technological lead in the development of jets. In the Korean War, U.S. military leaders expected the Air Force to dominate the skies, on the assumption that the Soviet aircraft used by North Korea and Communist China would be no match for American aircraft. They were shocked when Soviet MiG-15 jet fighters not only flew rings around U.S. propeller-driven aircraft but were conspicuously superior to the first generation of American jets as well. Only the hurried deployment of America's newest jet fighter, the F-86 Saber, allowed the United States to match the technological capabilities of the MiG-15. The Air Force prevailed, owing more to the skill of American pilots than to the design of American aircraft . . .
Perl was a City College graduate. As were Julius Rosenberg, Albert Weisbord and dozens, if not thousands, of other Soviet spies and supporters. Hillary's mentor, Communist Party lawyer Robert Treuhaft ,assumed he would attend City College but was surprised to win admission to Harvard. The public college provided the techinal knowledge needed for communists to get into a position to steal secrets. Harvard provided the legal talent to defend them and to propagandize without being indicted.

Btw...didn't Soviet pilots fly for North Korea? Think I saw something on the History Channel about it.

8 posted on 07/04/2003 2:43:32 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: the_Watchman
Must have.
9 posted on 07/04/2003 3:00:27 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: sauropod
print later ping.
10 posted on 07/04/2003 3:52:57 PM PDT by sauropod (There's room for all God's creatures... right next to the mashed potatoes.)
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bookmark for later
11 posted on 07/04/2003 4:20:17 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (I've been making fine jewelry for years, apparently.)
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To: DPB101
Thanks
12 posted on 07/04/2003 5:04:43 PM PDT by furnitureman
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To: the_Watchman
1950 is when Stalin signed the pact with Red China. (Putin made a trip to China earlier this year, during the time the mental Il was threatening US.)

Under that agreement the Chinese sent their 120,000 bodies into N. Korea while Stalin secretly gave air support.

Stalin was boycotting the U.N. at the time which is the reason that the U.N. declared its first war.

Stalin died and then the cease fire happened.

13 posted on 07/04/2003 5:27:52 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: DPB101
City College in New York was a thriving nest of espionage agents. Their proficiency in stealing technology for the Soviets caused death and destruction in Korea and elsewhere.
They have no shame. Today their children spin the lie that they were harassed by a witch hunt and that those who tried to ferret these weasels out were hysterical paranoids
14 posted on 07/04/2003 7:05:51 PM PDT by HISSKGB
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To: Prodigal Son
CCCP represents the Cyrillic characters for SSSR, which is how it would be transliterated into the Roman alphabet. Presumably the sergeant was translating what he saw into the usual American version, which is USSR.
15 posted on 07/04/2003 7:31:50 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: HISSKGB; Grampa Dave; NormsRevenge; ladyinred; PhilDragoo; Liz; Pan_Yans Wife; ExSoldier; ...
From Volume 4 of the transcripts. Who does Mr. Hacko remind you of?
TESTIMONY OF PAUL F. HACKO

Mr. Jones. How long have you been employed at General Electric?

Mr. Hacko. I have credited service of approximately eighteen or nineteen years.

Mr. Jones. Are you a member of the Communist party?

Mr. Hacko. First of all, before I answer any questions, I believe this committee has violated the Constitution's, the rights guaranteed under the Constitution of the United States, and they have sworn to uphold the Constitution of the United States, implemented by the Bill of Rights, and this committee has stepped into the judiciary processes of law which are guaranteed.

The Chairman. Before we hear any speech from you, you will answer the question.

Mr. Jones. Are you a member of the Communist party?

Mr. Hacko. I now use my First, Fifth, and implemented by the Fourth Amendment . . .

The Chairman. I am not arguing with you; you are here without a lawyer and I am trying to advise you----

Mr. Hacko. I think I can well represent myself.

The Chairman. Look, don't talk while I am talking.

Mr. Hacko. Proceed.

The Chairman. You are here without a lawyer and I intend to advise you of the grounds upon which you are ordered to answer so that at some future legal proceeding you will not be able to claim ignorance of the law. You will not be able to claim you did not know what was going on. I am going to ask you certain questions about your Communist connections, and I will ask you about espionage.

Mr. Hacko. I object, the objection referring to Communist grounds. You are stating that I am, and I object.

The Chairman. Look, mister, you are going to act like a gentleman.

Mr. Hacko. I am a gentleman, and I believe you are not a gentleman.

The Chairman. And you will be quiet while I am asking the questions.

Mr. Hacko. I will leave.

The Chairman. Marshall, will you stop this witness?

Mr. Hacko. You were going to bring me to Albany at eight o'clock, subpoenaing a man two hours beforetime and he has to go clear to Groversville.

The Chairman. If you want further time to get counsel and prepare to testify, I will give you additional time. If you feel that you are not ready to testify----

Mr. Hacko. You are taking away my Thanksgiving turkey.

The Chairman. Do you want additional time?

Mr. Hacko. I don't want anything from you. Maybe Mr. Schine does . . .

The Chairman. Do you think that someone who gives information to the FBI about traitors is a rat?

Mr. Hacko. I will place it this way: There are certain things which certain committees should not know and which members in this chamber perhaps do not even know, and you force a man--you cannot even conduct something between yourselves and anybody else. Sure they should be told of any underground or any method that would down the principles of the United States or do anything harmful or detrimental to this country. But here is a person, I don't know whether I can trust this one, or that person, or anyone here.

The Chairman. You have been asked some very simple questions, and you can answer them. I am going to let you talk as much as you want to.

Mr. Hacko. Inasmuch as the honorable senator asks me, I will state them publicly and openly.

The Chairman. This young man has got to take down everything we say, and you understand that. He cannot do that if we are both talking at the same time. I am going to let you talk as much as you want to, but don't interrupt me when I am talking.

Now I have asked you a very simple question. Are you willing to talk to the FBI and to give them any information which you have about Communists?

Mr. Hacko. I refuse to answer.

The Chairman. On what grounds?

Mr. Hacko. Under this form of questioning . . .

The Chairman. Well, you just got through telling me this is the work of the FBI and not of this committee. If it is the work of the FBI, you see they cannot do it. They cannot do the work unless people who know about Communists will work with them. We have the sworn testimony here that you are a member and have been a member of the Communist party. I am asking you a very simple question.

Mr. Hacko. That is a lie.

The Chairman. If we have an FBI agent call on you, will you give them whatever information you have?

Mr. Hacko. What you have stated is a lie.

The Chairman. You mean whoever said you were a Communist?

Mr. Hacko. That is right; that is a lie.

The Chairman. He is lying?

Mr. Hacko. Yes, sir.

The Chairman. Well, once you said you were a stoolpigeon. Did you go through the motions of being a Communist to help out some intelligence agency, the FBI, or some other thing?

Mr. Hacko. You make me sick. I think that you are doing more harm to the government of the United States than anyone is.

The Chairman. Can you get over being sick enough to answer the question?

Mr. Hacko. I haven't even had breakfast, and I don't think I can. Now you can hold me for contempt, which I will allow you to, but I am walking out of here.

The Chairman. You are not walking out of here.

Mr. Hacko. Hold me for contempt.

The Chairman. You are not walking out.

Mr. Hacko. I refuse to answer any questions. I use the First and Fifth Amendments, supplemented by the Fourteenth Amendment.

The Chairman. Are you an espionage agent of the Communist party as of today?

[No answer.]

The Chairman. You will have the record show that the witness sits mute and refuses to answer that question.

Mr. Hacko. I use the First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments. My acquaintances are none of your business. I have stated very plainly that I do not condone any action of any organization that would in any way be harmful to the United States of America.

The Chairman. Are you an espionage agent as of today?

Mr. Hacko. Again I will use my First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments.

The Chairman. Has the Communist party ever ordered you to obtain information about the work at GE?

Mr. Hacko. Objection. I didn't say that. What do you mean, Communist party? Who said I belonged to the Communist party?

The Chairman. The question is, has the Communist party ever ordered you to obtain information about the work going on at GE?

Mr. Hacko. I don't know who belongs to the Communist party or who does not, or who is a Communist and who is not.

The Chairman. You mean you don't know whether they have ever ordered you to do that?

Mr. Hacko. What do you mean, ordered? I told you that I don't know anything about their meetings or anything.

The Chairman. You mean you don't know whether they have ever ordered you to get information?

Mr. Hacko. Why don't you stop that line?

The Chairman. It is a very simple question. If they did not----

Mr. Hacko. It is not very simple, what you are talking about. I haven't done anything harmful in any way or manner or order. What do you mean, orders? I have been under your orders.

All you need is a swastika and a helmet, and you will be right in your place.

The Chairman. Look, mister, we have got a very important job to do here, and it is not pleasant to sit here and listen to people like you rant and rave. We are going to do it, get information, and you are giving us information by your attitude and by your raving and ranting. I have seen them do that before. I will see it again. I am going to ask you questions-- and they are very simple questions--and you can refuse to answer, and you can give all of the speeches you want.

The question is, has the Communist party ever ordered you to get information as to the work going on at GE and to turn that information over to them?

Mr. Hacko. I have answered that a dozen times, and I don't know what you are talking about.

The Chairman. What is the answer, yes or no; or do you refuse to answer?

Mr. Hacko. What party? Who?

The Chairman. The Communist party.

Mr. Hacko. I don't know anything about that. I don't know anything. I don't even know what you are talking about. You know I wouldn't be here; I would be getting paid $5,000, maybe, like the RCA money--who hold the secrets on your investigation--when Sarnoff was chairman and he sold the patented rights.

The Chairman. Do you understand the question?

Mr. Hacko. I don't understand the question.

The Chairman. I will ask it over again.

Did the Communist party ever order you to get information for them?

Mr. Hacko. I don't understand what you are talking about.

The Chairman. Was there anyone known to you as a member of the Communist party who ever ordered you to get information for him?

Mr. Hacko. That is a ridiculous question, and I don't know of any Communists or anything that you are talking about.

The Chairman. What is your answer to that question?

Mr. Hacko. I don't know anything. I don't know what you are talking about. I don't know. If you ask me if anybody, if a Republican or a Democrat has asked me, I would say no, no Republican or Democrat or American Labor party member--and I don't know anybody else; those are the people I know. I cannot conceive--I can conceive of somebody that is in a department, in a government department, being asked to give information.

The Chairman. You have said that no Republican or no Democrat or no American Labor party man ever asked you to get information for them. Let us go on one step further. Did the Communist party ever order you to give them information?

Mr. Hacko. I don't know of any of these people. I have long advocated that the party be placed upon the ballot and then we shall know all of the names and all of the things that they do, and it will be election by the ballot and not by the vote.

The Chairman. Will you read the question to the witness.

[The pending question was read by the reporter.]

Mr. Hacko. I can't conceive of anybody ever asking me to give information--and they haven't--and I don't know of what people you people are talking about or what the honorable senator is implying by the question. I don't know if he is trying to implicate me in anything, which I think I very definitely stated from the start.

The Chairman. You will be implicated if you commit perjury here. I am asking you a simple question. Did anyone known to you to be a member of the Communist party ever ask you to get information for them?

Mr. Hacko. No, sir, they did not, so help me God.

The Chairman. It took a long time to get that.


16 posted on 07/04/2003 7:50:58 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
Soviet pilots trained a number of NK pilots, but mostly they were instructors who stayed out of combat. It's very possible (and I think that there are a few documented cases), that from time to time they came into contact with US fighters.
17 posted on 07/04/2003 7:51:14 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: DPB101
You have done it again DB101. Thanks for the post.
18 posted on 07/04/2003 7:58:19 PM PDT by dix
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To: Zeroisanumber
The TV show I saw interviewed Soviet pilots that flew missions. They were not allowed ot fly over American held territory so that they could not be captured if they were shot down.
19 posted on 07/04/2003 8:08:59 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: DPB101
Bump
20 posted on 07/04/2003 8:25:35 PM PDT by sport
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To: DPB101
I atarted reading the Weisborg.org site.His prediction about the Peoples United States of Europe gave me pause.I think it was under the dissolution of NATO piece written in 1977.
21 posted on 07/04/2003 10:14:42 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: DPB101
Yes .The top Russian ace in the Korean War shot down 21 planes.The US and USSR kept this secret according to an article I just googled.
22 posted on 07/04/2003 10:19:35 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: DPB101
Bump for later.
23 posted on 07/04/2003 10:29:12 PM PDT by StriperSniper (Frogs are for gigging)
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To: Madcelt
Ping!!! Heads Up!!!
24 posted on 07/04/2003 11:04:51 PM PDT by Helix
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BTTT
25 posted on 07/04/2003 11:06:31 PM PDT by sarasmom (Punish France.Ignore Germany.Forgive Russia..)
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To: MEG33
From some of the writing it looks like Weisborg was trying to stir up race riots so his beloved revolution of the proletariat would occur. That site is a foundation. Wonder if the family is running a nonprofit. What frosts me is these commies made it in America. No money so they went to a public college (City College in his case). Then to Harvard. What was so terrible about America that they had to overthrow it? The country did well by them.
26 posted on 07/04/2003 11:16:58 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
That's the thing about American Commies ... they all did/do well here and still hate our system. Communism doesn't work, has never worked, and the ONLY answer these types will say, is because it's not been led by the " right people "; meaning themselves.

When the Trotskyites fought with the Stalinist and the Stalinist later felt " betrayed " by Kruschev, it all stilled boild down to the who was running it all. They could never admit that their system didn't and doesn't work. They are the " TRUE BELIEVERS "; brainwashed, blinkered, braindead, and clueless.

27 posted on 07/04/2003 11:23:29 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: DPB101
Fomenting race wars was not only the brainchild of Manson!It was an ongoing communist ploy in America.I never try to explain the left...I can't.I can know the ideology but I can't understand why these people want to overthrow our government any more than I can truly understand suicide bombers.
28 posted on 07/04/2003 11:28:46 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: MEG33; nopardons
Too bad they are not so good at what they do. But I guess that is the nature of cults. Fanatics never seem short of money.
29 posted on 07/04/2003 11:35:32 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
wow. I've never seen or heard that before. amazing. thanks for the post.
30 posted on 07/04/2003 11:38:36 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: DPB101
The Commies drove out religion and started their own kind of cult.
31 posted on 07/04/2003 11:39:47 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: I got the rope
The Senator "historian" who released the transcripts made no mention of anything but a few celebrities who were called. And he moaned about how injust that was. Fact is Aaron Copeland was a member of one communist front after the next. The DOJ almost indicted him for perjury but his fame allowed him to escape.

I wish McCarthy had put all the Korea War vets who testified in a room with the people who took the fifth, locked the door and came back a few hours later.

32 posted on 07/04/2003 11:46:28 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
You and me both !
33 posted on 07/05/2003 12:05:05 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: DPB101
Didn't I read that Aaron Copeland was allowed to change his statement and so avoided prosecution? I was way too young to "understand" the ongoing communist organizations in America during Korea.I always thought McCarthy was right though unattractive in his TV appearance.I grew up in a Dem family and always voted for Republicans for national security's sake.Luckily my mate and I agreed and now my children do,too.
34 posted on 07/05/2003 12:22:22 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: nopardons
It once again comes down to power.Who has it and who wants it.If only they were in charge the communist dream would work.Evidence to the contrary isn't important.
35 posted on 07/05/2003 2:06:31 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: Cicero
CCCP represents the Cyrillic characters for SSSR

I'm aware of this. Just seemed a bit odd. That's all.

36 posted on 07/05/2003 7:12:32 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: DPB101
Chico Marx from Animal Crackers?
37 posted on 07/05/2003 8:00:31 AM PDT by HISSKGB
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To: DPB101
Important post.
38 posted on 07/05/2003 8:05:32 AM PDT by pttttt
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To: MEG33
Believe Aaron Copland said he wasn't a communist or in the Party when applying for a passport. The FBI had people who said he was. The agency wanted to indict him but McCarthy had been censured and that was the end of that. They followed him for years however. Don't see his files at the Freedom of Information Act Reading Room. (the Hugo Black files looks interesting....)
39 posted on 07/05/2003 8:15:33 AM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
no doubt that these some of these people were dedicated, communist party members, out to destroy the united states.

why the los angeles times still celebrates their deaths with long, pleasant obituaries is beyond me.

one of their recent obits had the fellow who died remark, to the effect, that the communist party members were the only ones for humanism. so he joined. the context was, well, it was just a light-hearted, normal thing to do.
40 posted on 07/05/2003 6:49:49 PM PDT by liberalnot (right turn on red permitted.)
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To: DPB101; Auntie Mame; hatter; TAP ONLINE; FreedomSurge; Hornetsrule; Axelsrd; rwfromkansas; ...
FYI
41 posted on 07/06/2003 11:35:58 AM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
DPB101, I don't know why you have not had more responses that you have on this thread.

Instead of 41 you should have gotten at least 4100.

I am bumping it again and if necessary I will bump it agin next week.
42 posted on 07/07/2003 1:38:16 PM PDT by sport
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To: sport
Thanks. I probably should have condensed more and written a brief intro. But there is so much in the transcripts, it was difficult to get it this short. Is there a veteran's flag list on FR? They should be interested.
43 posted on 07/07/2003 3:42:33 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
Bump
44 posted on 07/10/2003 7:36:15 PM PDT by sport
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To: DPB101; JohnHuang2; kattracks; belmont_mark; ALOHA RONNIE
Thanks for post #1 &16. It does remind me of a number of people, sad to say.






45 posted on 07/26/2003 9:10:47 AM PDT by Paul Ross (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!-A. Hamilton)
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To: Chad Fairbanks; Amelia; Scenic Sounds
Bump/Ping - please check this out, if you haven't (this post in particular).
46 posted on 07/26/2003 9:32:54 AM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (It's not a crack house. It's a crack home.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; Liz; Calpernia
16 other servicemen testified about Korean War atrocities. An enterprising reporter should track them down and get their take on Joe McCarthy and the hearings. They may not even know their testimony has been made public.
47 posted on 07/26/2003 12:47:24 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
What's a burp gun?
48 posted on 07/26/2003 1:13:01 PM PDT by rodeocowboy
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To: rodeocowboy
What's a burp gun?

Fifties-speak for an automatic rifle...."Tommy Gun"

49 posted on 07/26/2003 1:14:39 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Bumperootus!)
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To: rodeocowboy

50 posted on 07/26/2003 1:20:13 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Bumperootus!)
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