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Tailgunner Joe--Where Have You Gone, Joe McCarthy?
various FR links | 06-26--03 | The Heavy Equipment Guy

Posted on 06/26/2003 2:47:36 AM PDT by backhoe

Senator Joseph McCarthy rose from obsurity, flared briefly as a crusader against Communist infiltrators, and died young, villified and rebuked.
For years his name has been the ultimate "nuke" from the Left: "MaCarthyism..."
And yet... recent revelations seem to show that if anything old "tailgunner Joe" underestimated the numbers infiltrators in the government... what's the truth?
 
 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/934207/posts
Joe McCarthy Was Right
NewsMax (via email) | June 23, 2003 | NewsMax
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/935799/posts
I dare call it treason [repost]
TownHall.com ^ | Thursday, June 26, 2003 | by Ann Coulter
 
 
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/935710/posts
AN INTERVIEW WITH ANN COULTER (and Coulter's New Online Blog)
Right Wing News ^ | June 26, 2003 | By John Hawkins
 
 
Ann Coulter's Defense of McCarthy Appalls ABC's Diane Sawyer
MRC ^ | Wednesday June 25, 2003 | Brent Baker
"On another thread today, there was a report of Ann appearing on ABC's "The View," and one of the obnoxous bitties on that show asked Ann if she'd ever seen two women having sex. Ann shot back, "Not since Katie interviewed Hillary."
Liberals malign the flag, ban the Pledge, and hold cocktail parties for America's enemies, but no one is ever allowed to cast the slightest aspersion on their patriotism-from TREASON by Ann Coulter
 
 
 
 
 
And so the evidence accumulates. And yet, 50 years later, the true believers continue in their denial.
 
 


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1 posted on 06/26/2003 2:47:36 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
ANN COULTER NEW BOOK TREASON BUMP FOR JOE MACARTHY!!!

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2 posted on 06/26/2003 3:42:37 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon
Hi, Race- she is a pretty woman, isn't she?
3 posted on 06/26/2003 3:47:06 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
I honestly think those pics I took in Rhode Island are some of the best of her, looks wise

especially the profile shots, wish they were clearer, though
4 posted on 06/26/2003 4:03:53 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon
hey Race, thank you for the excellent post/thread.

I've just issued myself a Standing Order of the Day:

bump, keep, read, print multiple copies...

then proceed to shove aforementioned copies down every Liberal-Commie's THROAT!!!!
5 posted on 06/26/2003 5:07:04 AM PDT by CGVet58 (I still miss my ex-wife... but my aim is improving!)
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To: backhoe
Bumping those linked threads!!!

The Left is without shame.
6 posted on 06/26/2003 10:19:28 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: backhoe
Excellent links, but you missed one of the best ones. This article, originally published in The New American in 1987, goes through most of the leftist lies about McCarthy point-by-point (in a Q&A format) and in considerable detail:

The Real McCarthy Record (Warning...Lengthy Article) (FR Thread)

The Real McCarthy Record (Source at The New American)

7 posted on 06/26/2003 12:08:36 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Stultis; headsonpikes
Thanks for looking... and appreciate the links.
8 posted on 06/26/2003 12:11:24 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an old keyboard cowboy, ridin' the trackball into the sunset...)
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To: backhoe
Another source of vindication for McCarthy:

Venona Project Homepage, NSA (Decrypted Soviet Cables, Coulter source for Treason book)

9 posted on 06/26/2003 12:12:22 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Stultis
Good one- I'll use it.
10 posted on 06/26/2003 12:32:36 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an old keyboard cowboy, ridin' the trackball into the sunset...)
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To: backhoe
Then there is the whole issue of the closed (executive) sessions of the Senate "Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations" from 1953, transcripts of which were first released to the public just this year. This committee and it's hearings were McCarthy's primary vehicle, and these transcripts were also an important source for Ann's book (I believe, though I haven't read it yet).

Ann's book is very timely because the left, and their zombies in the media, WITH THE WILLFUL COLLUSION OF THE SENATE HISTORIAN WHO EDITED THE DOCUMENTS, have consistently spun this largely exculpatory material in a (heretofore) largely successful effort to keep the lieberal "McCarthyism" myth alive. Here is an excellent article on this from Human Events which specifically nails Senate historian Donald Ritchie:

M. Stanton Evans: Senate Historian Botched Newly-Released Data on McCarthy

11 posted on 06/26/2003 1:18:33 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Stultis
Thanks... also adding:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/622675/posts
Secrets, Lies, and Atomic Spies,.....Or... Joe McCarthy was more right than he ever knew
PBS Nova ^ | February 5, 2002 | Peter Tyson
12 posted on 06/26/2003 1:33:40 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an old keyboard cowboy, ridin' the trackball into the sunset...)
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To: backhoe
A couple of older threads from the archive:

Joe McCarthy was Right - www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b8413ff050a.htm

Persecuted Paladin (Sen. Joseph McCarthy) -- 20th Century Hero - www.freerepublic.com/forum/a37e6d3366cc9.htm

13 posted on 06/26/2003 4:48:38 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Appreciate those links- a family emergency ( my 84 year old Mother in law is having dizzy spells ) pulled me off the board around 5 PM yesterday & I'm just checking in.
14 posted on 06/27/2003 12:44:29 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an old keyboard cowboy, ridin' the trackball into the sunset...)
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To: backhoe
Heavyweight champion Gene Tunney took on the American Youth Congress (a communist front) in this 1940 editorial in "Liberty" Magazine.

Btw..the AYC was a favorite of Eleanor Roosevelt.

15 posted on 06/27/2003 12:55:01 AM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
Thanks for the link...

Human beings brought up in the countries of our Western civilization, no matter how commonplace or simple their lives may be, cannot conceive of the actual conditions in Soviet Russia. They cannot imagine the wretchedness of the lives of the people--everybody except the commissars and their favorites.

16 posted on 06/27/2003 1:05:53 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an old keyboard cowboy, ridin' the trackball into the sunset...)
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To: backhoe
In case you missed it:

THE YALTA BETRAYAL
Felix Wittmer
1953

17 posted on 06/27/2003 1:15:16 AM PDT by DPB101
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To: RaceBannon
Ann is a little lean for my taste, but let me confess she does cut a striking profile! :-)
18 posted on 06/27/2003 1:22:03 AM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: backhoe
The latest...

Oppie Was A Commie
Accuracy In Media ^ | June 27, 2003 | Notra Trulock

19 posted on 06/27/2003 1:57:48 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Stultis
Thanks for the link- my Mom would feel vindicated!
20 posted on 06/27/2003 3:05:09 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an old keyboard cowboy, ridin' the trackball into the sunset...)
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To: backhoe
I think he's here in spirit!


21 posted on 06/27/2003 3:10:41 PM PDT by rockfish59
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To: RaceBannon
The biggest spy in the FDR household was Harry Hopkins, aside from Elinor of course. The Russians have done everything but admit Hopkins was a spy.

Hopkins and Alger Hisses wife were close in NYC and she baptised Hiss into the commie movement.

22 posted on 06/27/2003 3:32:46 PM PDT by Little Bill (No Rats, A.N.S.W.E.R (WWP) is a commie front!!!!,)
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To: backhoe
Ooops! Cut 'n paste went awry due to local page reference. I'll try again:

Oppie Was A Commie
Accuracy In Media ^ | June 27, 2003 | Notra Trulock

23 posted on 06/27/2003 3:35:35 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: rockfish59
Graphic appreciated...
24 posted on 06/27/2003 4:47:13 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an old keyboard cowboy, ridin' the trackball into the sunset...)
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To: Stultis
The sealed transcripts have several books in them. Testimony of Korean War POWs, an odd case of goose down feathers purchased without a competitive bid from Communist China, the incredible lawyering up of witnesses (who paid for that?), 400 homosexuals fired from the State Department as security risks (many of whom found better jobs in France), the testimony of Helen B. Balog, a CPUSA contract on McCarthy, a CIA boss musing McCarthy might have to be "taken care of, Ike's refusal to allow the Army to testify on Soviet infiltration at the Ft. Monmouth radar lab and on and on.
25 posted on 06/28/2003 2:53:56 AM PDT by DPB101
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To: backhoe
A couple more links:

Two Cheers for "McCarthyism"? (Goldberg, NRO, good article, but actually about Patriot Act)

Hollywood's Missing Movies - Why American films have ignored life under communism (Excellent, excellent, must read. Lots of history on hollywood commies, and the thesis asks an important question)

26 posted on 07/02/2003 1:30:02 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Stultis
Thanks!
27 posted on 07/02/2003 1:32:08 PM PDT by backhoe (Recall Them All!!!)
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To: backhoe
And at the following link you can read a free chapter (actually the introduction, partially excerpted below) of Arthur Herman's biography of McCarthy.

http://www.blueskypie.com/nonfictionbycategory/history/historynonfxnbooks/josephmccarthy.asp

Joseph McCarthy -Reexamining The Life And Legacy of America's Most Hated Senator by Arthur Herman (ISBN: 0684836254)

...In retrospect, McCarthy's disgrace and obloquy has come at a certain price to historical truth. He has become so taboo a figure, someone presented only in Rovere-style caricature rather than flesh and blood, that confusion and ignorance about what he did and the times in which he operated are widespread. Books like David Caute's The Great Fear, which implicitly compared the anti-Communist crusade of the fifties to Stalin's Great Terror, or Ellen Schrecker's Many Are the Crimes: McCarthyism in America, can portray the entire period in the most terrifyingly nightmarish colors, and be believed. So part of dispelling the myths about Joe McCarthy has to include dispelling the myths about the 1950s and the so-called red scare.

We need to remember that during the entire period, from 1947 to 1958, no American citizens were interrogated without benefit of legal counsel, none was arrested or detained without due judicial process, and no one went to jail without trial. As George Kennan, no admirer of the investigations, stated, "Whoever could get his case before a court was generally assured of meeting there with a level of justice no smaller than at any time in recent American history." All through the "worst" of the McCarthy period, the Communist Party itself was never outlawed, membership in the party was never declared a crime, and it continued to maintain public offices, publish books and the Daily Worker, and recruit new members (admittedly a tough sell by then).

In fact, most of what people ordinarily mean when they talk about the "red scare" -- the House Un-American Activities Committee; anti-Communist probes into Hollywood, labor unions, and America's schools and universities; the Rosenberg trial; blacklisting in the media and schoolteachers fired for disloyalty -- had nothing to do with McCarthy and he had nothing to do with them (although when asked, he generally approved of them, as most other Americans did). McCarthy's own committee in the Senate, the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, which he chaired for less than two years, had a specific duty to investigate communism in the federal government and among government employees. It had done so before he became chairman, and it did so after he left, under Senator John McClellan and Bobby Kennedy. The men and women McCarthy targeted, rightly or wrongly, as Communists or Communist sympathizers all shared that single characteristic: they were federal employees and public servants, and therefore, McCarthy and his supporters argued, they ought be held accountable to a higher standard than other American citizens.

That fact tends to get lost when historians dwell exclusively on the stories of harassment, professional disgrace, and other indignities suffered as a result of McCarthy's and other anti-Communist investigations. Dalton Trumbo, Dashiell Hammett, Howard Fast, Paul Robeson, Steve Nelson, Frances Farmer, and Lillian Hellman appear in standard treatments of the period in the same way in which the names of martyrs grace the pages of histories of the early church. Their personal ordeals are constantly presented as proof that America in those days must have been in the grip of an anti-Communist hysteria and a "witch-hunt." (In order not to be left out, Hellman told her own tale of woe in a short book of breathtaking dishonesty, entitled Scoundrel Time.) The best and most generous estimate is that during the entire decade of the red scare, ten thousand Americans lost their jobs because of their past or present affiliation with the Communist Party or one of its auxiliary organizations. Of those who lost their jobs, two thousand worked in the government, and in perhaps forty cases McCarthy himself was directly or indirectly responsible for their being fired. In only one case -- that of Owen Lattimore -- can anyone make the argument that McCarthy's allegations led to any actual legal proceedings, and there a judge eventually threw out most of the indictment. Paradoxically, the fact that McCarthy never sent anyone to prison is also turned against him; opponents claimed that during his entire career, he never actually exposed a single spy or Communist -- a claim that is manifestly untrue, as we will see...


28 posted on 07/02/2003 1:51:45 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: backhoe
Joe was right.
29 posted on 07/02/2003 2:30:16 PM PDT by husky ed (FOX NEWS ALERT "Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead" THIS HAS BEEN A FOX NEWS ALERT)
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To: backhoe
Hi, Race- she is a pretty woman, isn't she?

Actually, I never thought she was. Kinda skinny and anorexic looking actually.

30 posted on 07/02/2003 2:32:46 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (RECALL DAVIS, position his smoking chair over a trapdoor, a memo for the next governor.)
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To: husky ed
Joe was right.

Absolutely!

31 posted on 07/02/2003 2:49:16 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Going beyond McCarthy himself with this link, to include "McCarthyism" ("liberally" defined):

What Red Scare? HUAC And Venona ^
      Posted by Radioheart
On 08/29/2001 9:28 AM CDT with 11 comments


FrontPageMag.com ^ | August 29, 2001 | Ronald Radosh
What Red Scare? HUAC And Venona By Ronald Radosh In the past two weeks, much has been made of the announcement that the US National Archives has released 600 boxes of previously sealed records from the House Committee on Un-American Activities. Actually, only one box has been released so far. continue…

32 posted on 07/02/2003 2:50:22 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Joe Hadenuf
[Coulter is] Kinda skinny and anorexic looking actually.

I tend to agree, but nevertheless I can't help noticing, in that profile shot, that she's not skinny everywhere.

33 posted on 07/02/2003 2:52:34 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Well, tastes in women vary- I lean toward the Valkyrie-like, myself. Ann's a little scrawny, but she has a pretty face. Truth be told, it's what is between the ears that count, rather than the outside packaging.
34 posted on 07/02/2003 2:52:55 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: Stultis
Them are fake, given her overall skinniness.
35 posted on 07/02/2003 2:54:11 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (...girls with good bodies like boys with Ferraris...girls don't like boys, girls like cars and money)
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To: Stultis
All right! Thanks!
36 posted on 07/02/2003 2:54:47 PM PDT by backhoe (Joe McCarthy was more correct than anyone knew--)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Unfortunately, time will cure her skinnyness. She has beautiful hair and eyes, though.
37 posted on 07/02/2003 3:00:34 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Them are fake

"Ruh-roh!" Here, you might be needing this...


38 posted on 07/02/2003 3:01:39 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Stultis
Here - I'll pour it on, LOL. She needs to order something from the dessert cart now and then.
39 posted on 07/02/2003 3:08:38 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (...girls with good bodies like boys with Ferraris...girls don't like boys, girls like cars and money)
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To: backhoe
And I actually agree with that.
40 posted on 07/02/2003 5:29:07 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (RECALL DAVIS, position his smoking chair over a trapdoor, a memo for the next governor.)
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To: backhoe
Something else I just happened to run across, not posted to FR. This is an email discussion, at MSN/Slate, from Summer 1999, between Ronald Radosh (a somewhat liberalish neocon anti-/ex- communist) and Eric Alterman (just ugh) of two books:

The Redhunter: A Novel Based on the Life and Times of Senator Joe McCarthy, by William F. Buckley Jr.

and...

The View From Alger's Window: A Son's Memoir, by Tony Hiss

Alterman will make you puke profusely (and/or laugh at his mincing evasions), and Radosh is pretty hard on McCarthy on a number of points, mainly for weakening (or making it possible for the hard-left to weaken) liberal anti-communism, but there is plenty of good stuff in here. Buckley even pops in at one point. You need to click the days of the week at the upper right of the window to read all the messages:

The Redhunter and The View From Alger's Window
http://slate.msn.com/id/2000089/entry/1003047/

There is also an addendum with an extended quote from WFB's (depicting Dean Acheson's obsessive anti-McCarthyism):

William Buckley Quotes Himself in Self-Defense
http://slate.msn.com/id/31496/

41 posted on 07/03/2003 8:47:10 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: Stultis
"from WFB's book (depicting"
42 posted on 07/03/2003 8:47:56 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: Stultis
Interesting links- thanks!
43 posted on 07/03/2003 8:58:26 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: All
 
 
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STATEMENT OF SGT. BARRY F. RHODEN (The McCarthy Transcript Liberals Do Not Want You To Read)
U.S. Senate ^ | 7/4/03 | Senate Testimony


44 posted on 07/04/2003 1:50:35 PM PDT by backhoe (Joe McCarthy was more correct than anyone knew--)
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To: backhoe
Bttt....
45 posted on 07/09/2003 12:19:32 PM PDT by TomServo (Free Illbay!!)
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To: backhoe
Joe McCarthy index bump
46 posted on 07/27/2003 7:28:03 PM PDT by gitmo (We have left the slippery slope and we are now in free fall.)
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To: backhoe
Don't *think* you have this one here:

Levin and Collins Trigger Disinformation. Senate Historian Clams Up When Queried On McCarthy
5/10/03 | M. Stanton Evans

In a key step toward unravelling the secret history of the Cold War, the U. S. Senate last week released 50-year-old executive hearings on subversion and internal security matters conducted by Sen. Joe McCarthy (R.-Wis.).

Running to more than 4,000 pages, these hearings are crammed with backstage data on a host of once-torrid issues—including controversial McCarthy sessions on the Voice of America, United States Information Agency libraries, State Department personnel, and the Army Signal Corps installation at Fort Monmouth, N.J., to name a few. The last is of special interest as it was the prelude to the famous Army-McCarthy fracas in the spring of 1954, the event most people are probably aware of, if only dimly, when they think about McCarthy.

Having these documents available for study will be a major boon for scholars.

Unfortunately, the send-off they have been given by Senators Carl Levin (D.-Mich.) and Susan Collins (R.-Me.), and Donald Ritchie, the Senate historian who edited the hearings, has stirred up an orgy of media disinformation. All three have made invidious comments about McCarthy, putting a huge negative spin on the story.

[Msg #44 has links to the documents in question.]


47 posted on 07/27/2003 8:07:06 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Stultis
Thanks for the link & info!
48 posted on 07/28/2003 12:54:07 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Cold Warrior, draggin' his BAR into the sunset...)
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To: gitmo
Thanks for the bump^
49 posted on 07/28/2003 12:56:28 AM PDT by backhoe (For Evil to prosper, it is only necessary that good men do nothing...)
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To: backhoe
An absolutely superb post. Bookmarked!
50 posted on 07/28/2003 12:59:01 AM PDT by onyx (Name an honest democrat? I can't either!)
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