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IRAQ: A Question Of Trust - The CIA's Tenet takes the fall for a flawed claim......
TIME ^ | July 21, 2003 Vol. 162 No. 3 | MICHAEL DUFFY AND JAMES CARNEY

Posted on 07/13/2003 9:10:40 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: okie01

"two senior Administration officials"

Sounds similar to Novak's sources, no? Could it be those reports about Rove blabbing to "six reporters" be misplaced by those who didn't get calls? That it wasn't Bushies doing this?

And perhaps when they called Novak...

Then there's the whole issue of Wilson's leaks prior to his NYTimes article - to mostly the Brit press, part of wanting to take down Blair?


41 posted on 02/27/2005 4:02:16 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Fedora; piasa

Ping to new developments


42 posted on 02/27/2005 4:03:09 PM PST by Shermy
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To: cyncooper

"I better file it away"

Not too deep. I think it's the core of the matter.

the "July 13" and "21" articles are one in the same. 13 is the date it was posted on the web (before Novak's article). 21 the issue date on the paper magazine.

As I read it the first subpena was limited to Libby. Cooper probably said "It wasn't him", he wouldn't answer subsequent questions so they gave him another subpena.


43 posted on 02/27/2005 4:06:17 PM PST by Shermy
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To: okie01

Thinking again about Richard Clarke - he likes to talk. Tenet could be one - he felt slighted by Wilson.


44 posted on 02/27/2005 4:08:00 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Shermy

OK--I made sure to adjust the title in my folder to reflect the article is of interest to the grand jury.


45 posted on 02/27/2005 4:12:57 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper
This is turning into a story the MSM does not enjoy reporting on.

At some point, they will begin to ignore it -- as if it isn't happening. Judith Miller and Matt Cooper could be sent off to the big house...and all it will earn them is a column inch of agate type on page C-18.

46 posted on 02/27/2005 4:34:22 PM PST by okie01 (A slavering moron and proud member of the lynch mob, cleaning the Augean stables of MSM since 1998.)
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To: okie01; cyncooper

From a CNN interview

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0502/20/rs.01.html

COOPER: Well, first of all, it's not entirely -- I -- without saying, disclosing, what everyone wants to know, I wouldn't be entirely certain about, you know, the motivation of the leakers, who leaked what, when, where, how.

But that said, look, journalism needs to be able to protect its sources in order to be able to function. It's the only way to ferret out information. And we need to be able to do that.

Now, I will readily concede that at times that may not make the life of a prosecutor easier. But that's not my job in society is to make the life of a prosecutor easier. You know, I gave limited testimony to a prosecutor last year after one of my sources absolved me of our promise of confidentiality, and I was happy to do so, and would do it again.

KURTZ: An aide to Vice President Cheney.

COOPER: I would do it again, right. But this time the prosecutors asked for really, basically, every one of my sources and my notebook. That's much harder to comply with.


47 posted on 02/27/2005 4:38:07 PM PST by Shermy
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To: cyncooper
NBC has said previously that Russert was "not a recipient" of Plame's name. A statement from the network yesterday said "the Special Prosecutor's questions addressed a telephone conversation initiated by Mr. Libby and focused on what Mr. Russert said during that conversation. Mr. Libby had previously told the FBI about the conversation and had formally requested that the conversation be disclosed."

NBC officials said that at the time of the conversation Russert "did not know Ms. Plame's name or that she was a CIA operative" and "he did not provide that information to Mr. Libby." Network representatives would not elaborate on Fitzgerald's interest in learning whether Russert disclosed information to Libby.

From August WashPost last year. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52895-2004Aug9_2.html I remembered that, thought is was just confusion...but maybe not only did Libby not tell - maybe he didn't know! Maybe a reporter told him about Plame's Wilson connection.
48 posted on 02/27/2005 4:48:08 PM PST by Shermy
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To: okie01; cyncooper

The case says less about miller:

Supbpenas "seeking documents and testimony related to conversatins between her and a specified government official "occuring from on or about July 6, 2003 to on or about July 13, 2003,...concerning Valerie Plame Wilson...or concerning Iraqi efforts to obtain uranium."

Presumably that person isn't Libby since long before he released the reporters. Who could it be...and just how did she get involved in this matter...she apparently wrote nothing about Plame


49 posted on 02/27/2005 5:27:02 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Shermy
Who could it be...and just how did she get involved in this matter...she apparently wrote nothing about Plame

If she never wrote about Plame, then wouldn't it have to be "concerning Iraqi efforts to obtain uranium"? She was the Times' "beat writer" on WMD, after all.

In order to have a "source", one must first have a story published, I would think. Indeed, to warrant the GJ subpoena, one would've had to have published a story in which one cited a source. I doubt they can subpoena idle gossip.

Would be nice to know what she published in that time frame. But given Miller's beat and his proximity to Plame, may I suggest Alan Foley?

50 posted on 02/27/2005 5:46:04 PM PST by okie01 (A slavering moron and proud member of the lynch mob, cleaning the Augean stables of MSM since 1998.)
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To: Shermy

Thanks!


51 posted on 02/27/2005 8:10:41 PM PST by Fedora
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To: okie01

Since she wrote about WMD's for a long time, maybe she already knew about Plame, and blabbed after Wilson's article.


52 posted on 02/27/2005 8:14:22 PM PST by Shermy (>)
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To: Shermy

Thanks for the ping - you are an awesome researcher.


53 posted on 02/27/2005 9:56:59 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Shermy
Speaking of George Tenet, he was just quoted in an article I saw on FR a few hours ago from the LA Times- it was on Qadeer Khan.

The article appears to hint at a new line of spin... "We waited to long to round up Qadeer Khan's Network and it's everyone's fault but Carter's... Clinton's, aparently, since he's not mentioned.

Interesting article, though.

54 posted on 02/27/2005 10:00:22 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Shermy
COOPER: I would do it again, right. But this time the prosecutors asked for really, basically, every one of my sources and my notebook. That's much harder to comply with.

Things that make you go hmmmm....

55 posted on 02/27/2005 10:02:55 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Shermy; Howlin; Mo1; Miss Marple
For what it's worth, some trivia on Matthew Cooper from a past thread:
To: Howlin A New Jersey native, [Matthew] Cooper is a 1984 graduate of Columbia College in New York City and lives in Washington D.C. with his wife, Mandy Grunwald, and their son. -- http://centerforpolitics.org/programs/nss/text_03_agenda-panel.htm via 25 posted on 05/22/2004 6:49:11 AM PDT by Mo1

To: Howlin The scary-toothed Mandy Grunewald, Hillary chum extraordinaire, could very well have been the person who tipped her husband off. She would have known Wilson's wife's profession...heck, they probably all went to the same cocktail parties. 29 posted on 05/22/2004 7:07:26 AM PDT by Miss Marple


56 posted on 02/27/2005 10:10:01 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa

Also .. don't forget Hellary sits on the Senate Arms Committee


57 posted on 02/27/2005 10:14:54 PM PST by Mo1 (Question to the Media/Press ... Why are you hiding the Eason Jordan tapes ????)
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To: Mo1
That's very true. Also :

Minutes before the debate [2004 FL debate], Time correspondent Matt Cooper said of the Kerry comeback scenario: "Everyone in this room wants to write it. They're aching to write it. When the polls close up, you'll see more of it."
----- "A Changed Political Landscape, Or an Isolated Peak in the Polls?" By Howard Kurtz, Washington Post Staff Writer , Monday, October 4, 2004; Page C01

58 posted on 02/27/2005 10:28:23 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa

Actually I think the Tenet quote was from last year and was just recently used in the article, it just surprised me since I hadn't seen him quoted much.


59 posted on 02/27/2005 10:29:38 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: piasa
Thanks for pinging me. I am very interested in this.

Judith Miller was IN Iraq at one point. I remember that she wrote a long article about the search for WMD that had a lot of detail. It basically took the position (this was early in the post-war time period) that there were WMD's and it was only a matter of time until they were located.

Perhaps she got her information from someone in the CIA.

60 posted on 02/28/2005 3:39:03 AM PST by Miss Marple
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