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To: fso301
A long time ago...in a galaxy far far away I actually worked as a salesman in a gunstore...this was long before the advent of the "gun show" as a popular retail venue. I noticed a couple of things in selling to women for the home (the FL CCW was about ten years from reality too). The first was that women invariably wanted that "cute one." The 2nd was that most salesmen also wanted them to have the "cute one" and not always was it the $550 Walther PPK/S! Many times it was a Beretta Jetfire in .25ACP.

I agree that the .22WMR is a better round than the 25 (rock would be better) but not necessarily the 32. The 22WMR develops about the same velocity as the 38sp, but has far less cross sectional density and thus less "stopping power."Women need educating on self defense. The 9mm or 38sp is far better than any 22WMR. Can be just as small and (ugh) "cute." The MOSSAD uses a .22LR for assassination because they take the mark right thru the EYE everytime. A 6mm rifle can and HAS dropped a Bull Elephant...if you get him in the eye...like the famous "Karamojo" Bell, the Great White Hunter of turn of the century Africa. When you're talking a "mouse gun" SHOT PLACEMENT is all.

Most men and women are not going to be able to maintain their cool in a hostile encounter of the potentially lethal kind to stay calm enough to go for the eyeball and be assured of hitting the target! Therefore, you need a caliber with enough cross sectional density and ability to expand to a larger caliber in the flesh penetration to produce the needed hydrostatic shock and drop the bad guy; even if the bullet strike isn't an instantly lethal area....like the eye. Or if the round hits soft tissue that may eventually prove fatal due to hydraulic failure ie bleedout, it still must be big enough to incapacitate instead of infuriate.

I used to say to folks....: "Look, if you shoot somebody with this little 22....and IF HE FINDS OUT ABOUT IT....He's gonna be very M-A-D."

78 posted on 07/19/2003 2:23:46 PM PDT by ExSoldier (M1911A1: The ORIGINAL "Point and Click" interface!)
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To: ExSoldier
Or as my daddy says, "I hate like #@!! to shoot a man and then stand there and argue with him."

You never sold a gun to me! :-D Smallest gun I've ever carried was a PPK/S in 9mm kurz (.380 Auto) in a Bianchi Scorpion shoulder holster, and only because my Combat Commander "printed" too badly under my summer suit coats. Rest of the time I carried it or the stainless Officer's Model. My boss, a Marine Reservist, walked into my office without knocking one day while I was shrugging into my jacket - his eyes sure popped. I laughed it off . . . "Hey, if YOU had to park behind the Union Mission instead of in the partners' spaces under the building, you'd be carrying one too." The federal marshals at the courthouse when I was working my very first "real" job for a judge also thought it was extremely funny. For years after I quit working at the courthouse and was just going down there to file papers and try cases, the guys on the gate would ask, "Hey, got your cannon, honey?" ". . . not since I don't have to park under the Spring Street viaduct any more . . . " Speaking of which, I was talking to a friend on Wednesday, her husband got mugged under the Spring Street viaduct. (They are country club Republicans and wouldn't know which end of a gun was the naughty one.) So nothing in West Side downtown Atlanta has really changed in 20 years . . .

But I think that the expectation is that women want a "cute" gun. Women also tend to fear not the recoil but the noise. Probably due to lack of early training, which I had plenty of from my dad and all his huntin'-and-fishin' friends . . . and my kids are certainly getting it too. My daughter will shoot anything I own including the .41 Mag, the .45 Long Colt, my hubby's FN and my .303 Long Branch sniper rifle (she's 15), she's a big tall girl (takes after my husband.) My son is still small and skinny at 12 (he's a little guy like my side of the family) and he prefers the Ruger 10/22 still, which is fine.

79 posted on 07/19/2003 2:41:16 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: ExSoldier
My wife and I went shopping for some carry weapons a few months ago. I got the S&W 340PD and she ended up getting the snubbie "Lady Smith" (642). It was the rosewood grips that got her. Cute.

Anyhow, she can't stand going to the range with it. She lasts about 20 rounds and calls it a day. The unworked trigger really causes her hand to shake, rattle and roll.

In order to keep my range time on a regular basis, I went out and bought her a Glock 19. She loves it. Not good for carry gun (for her) but it keeps her at the range for a few hours. Now I need to find her another carry gun. She likes the Sig232 but I'd like to keep it simple. Maybe a baby Glock?

The 340PD is fantastic. .357 in a 10oz package. Bought one and found out I was a recoil junkie. Took my brand new S&W500 (50cal) to the range today. Hilarious what it does to a watermelon :)
115 posted on 07/19/2003 8:37:26 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (There is nothing Democratic about the Democrat party.)
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