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Why Did the Bush Administration Really Decide to Invade Iraq?
National Security.org ^ | 07.12.03

Posted on 07/23/2003 8:02:37 AM PDT by Enemy Of The State

 

Why Did the Bush Administration Really Decide to Invade Iraq?

12 July 2003

Three months after US military forces smashed the last major Iraqi resistance to the US invasion and captured Baghdad and in view of the fact that no weapons of mass destruction have yet been found, Americans are starting to wonder what really motivated the Bush Administration to take the nation into a war against a country like Iraq. This is particularly the case since it has become increasingly clear in retrospect that Iraq did not pose anything resembling the imminent threat to the United States that President Bush repeatedly alleged that it did prior to the US invasion.

The Administration’s motives for the war were several. First and foremost was the President's desire to avenge his father's failure to achieve a lasting victory over Saddam and more particularly his desire to get back at Saddam for an alleged assassination attempt against former President Bush Sr. in 1993.

Second, the Bush Administration neoconservatives invaded Iraq in furtherance of their grand plan to remake and democratize the Middle East by the force of arms in an attempt to make it safer for Israel. Of all the members of the axis of evil for the Bush Administration to wage war against, Iraq was the most “doable”, owing to the incessant demonization of Iraq stemming from 1990 onward by both Bush Administrations and the Clinton Administration. In addition, Iraq, which once boasted the fourth largest army in the world had seen its armed forces decimated to only forty percent of its pre-Gulf War One military strength by US military action in that just conflict fought to liberate Kuwait from Iraqi occupation.

What the neo-conservatives in the Bush Administration fail to realize is that Iraq and Iran are majority Shiite and Syria majority radical Sunni so that if these countries were to become true democracies they would elect anti-American tyrants and terrorists as their leaders. In fact, Iran is a democracy today and has done precisely that. Moreover, Iran is a far greater threat both in terms of their nuclear capability, IRBM capability and support of terrorists including Al Queda, which is far more pronounced than was ever the case with Iraq.

Realist conservatives opposed the neo-conservative internationalist plan to invade Iraq out of fear that our invasion would merely serve to transform it into a carbon copy of 9-11 terrorist supporting Iran that would truly threaten the US homeland as secular Baathist-led Iraq never could or would. Now, the United States is faced with a no-win scenario. If the US withdraws from Iraq as it is in its national interests to do, it will leave behind a country dominated by supporters of international terrorism against it where one did not exist before. If the US continues to occupy Iraq with 150,000 troops, it will begin losing an increasing number of soldiers as recent news headlines have indicated and waste billions without any real hope of achieving a pro-Western democracy as the population continues to radicalize against those they perceive, rightly or wrongly, to be foreign occupiers and invaders.

Third, the Administration invaded Iraq in an attempt to re-empower the United Nations by forcing it to enforce its resolutions even more aggressively than it wanted to. Far from opposing the UN like all conservatives should, the Bush Administration consistently used Iraq's alleged violation of eighteen UN sanctions as their prime justification for the war. Furthermore, the Administration initially attempted to avoid getting approval from Congress, the only constitutional authority on whether the US can or cannot initiate the use of military force against another country, which has not first attacked us.

The Bush Administration attempted to use every possible justification they could come up with in the hopes of obtaining greater popular support for the war both at the national and international level. They needed to do so because Saddam and Iraq had committed no aggression or act of provocation to justify an all-out attack against it by the United States. In a dozen years since Gulf War One nothing had changed. Saddam was firmly in the box and everyone knew it. In fact, in 1998 there was tremendous international pressure to drop UN sanctions against Iraq due to their prior large-scale compliance with UN mandates. Almost immediately following 9-11, neo-conservatives in the Bush Administration led by Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld, Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, Vice President Dick Cheney and others tried to create the illusion of a connection between Iraq, a secular socialist state and Al Queda, an Islamist extremist terrorist group. In this attempt they were almost entirely unsuccessful.

Secretary Wolfowitz actually admitted that the WMD justification was “the only one that stuck” despite scanty evidence of a continuing Iraqi WMD program and the fact that Iraq had already destroyed the most of its WMD arsenal under UN supervision so that they posed a far lesser threat than in 1990 before the First Gulf War. Ultimately the Administration's justification of "liberating" the Iraqi people was just an afterthought. The American people didn't hear a word about the need to “liberate” the people of Iraq until just before the war. The Administration used that word to cover up the fact that they were using US military forces illegitimately to launch an aggressive war upon a country that had never attacked us and as Secretary of State Colin Powell eloquently put it less than two years ago, “threatened not the United States.”

Once the war began, suddenly we were told that finding WMD was no longer a top priority and international inspectors were told they would not be welcome in the new US occupied Iraq. One wonders if the Administration might have obtained intelligence that Saddam had in fact destroyed what little was left of his arsenal before the US invasion, but decided not to release this info to the American public to avoid the embarrassment and a major loss of US prestige and credibility which was by then firmly on the line in Iraq. With their credibility already badly damaged by this deception wrought upon the American people over the real rationale for the war, we may never know for sure.

It is high time for the American people and their duly elected representatives in Congress to demand that President Bush, who proclaimed “mission accomplished” in Iraq in a speech over two months ago to declare victory and withdraw all US troops from Iraq by Christmas. The indefinite commitment of over one-third of our Army to the occupation of Iraq leaves the US incapable of sending reinforcements to help defend against hypothetical attacks against our allies on the Korean peninsula and Taiwan where the next conflict will likely erupt.

The Administration’s attempt at nation-building and indeed empire-building in Iraq constitutes the very antithesis of conservatism and is doomed to ultimate failure. If continued, it will further provoke an increasingly visible global backlash of anti-Americanism which will likely culminate in further catastrophic terrorist attacks against the US homeland, resulting in the deaths of hundreds and perhaps thousands more Americans. The prompt withdrawal of our forces from Iraq is absolutely necessary to minimize further loss of life among our heroic and selflessly-serving military servicemen. It is also essential to do so in order to conserve our military strength and save untold billions of dollars in taxpayer funds for winnable missions that clearly advance, rather than jeopardize the US national security interest

 


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To: gcruse
Saudis and Egyptians radicalized in Hanford Germany and London, England.

The Saudi terrorists left SA as medical students and then left Germany full blown Islamic radicals.

If you know anything about the Saudis, you know the Royal family has been hugely pro-American since before Reagan. The population includes lots of looney Islamic radicals. As many people who have studied the area know and have written about, bin Laden and his group hate the Saudi Royal family as much or more than they hate us. There has been a price on bin Laden's head there for ten years. Likewise Egypt.

His main biographer said on FOX that bin Laden picked Saudis and Egyptians to carry out 9/11 in order to turn us against our allies and his main enemies. He's done it before.

You're just spewing crap you've heard that supports your own ignorance. If you really cared, you could educate yourself.

51 posted on 07/23/2003 12:24:31 PM PDT by Deb (Do these jeans make my tag look big?)
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To: Deb
I won't try to rewrite the article atop this thread, since I agree with it. You can 'educate' them.
52 posted on 07/23/2003 12:39:41 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: billbears
Considering how many WMDs 'intelligence' reports said Saddam had, you'd think they would have found them by now don't you? How can you disarm when you don't have anything to disarm?

I think it's specious to believe he had nothing to disarm. I rather suspect we're going to find out, in time, exactly what happened to the WMD. My guess is they went to Syria, or were secreted within Iraq and only a very few people know (knew) where.

Don't forget, he booted the UN in 1998 when they uncovered WMD.

It is (was) there.

Finding actual WMD is a moot point. Saddam's done.

53 posted on 07/23/2003 1:06:46 PM PDT by IncPen
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To: IncPen
Finding actual WMD is a moot point. Saddam's done.

Of course it is, now. Especially since the administration has changed from 'immediate threat' to WMDs to WMD 'programs'. First they were there ready to be fired and now they may not even have been in existence, just the material to possibly make them.

54 posted on 07/23/2003 1:37:15 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
First they were there ready to be fired and now they may not even have been in existence, just the material to possibly make them.

Considering the bag of lunatics that comprise your average middle eastern country, the material alone is reason enough to snuff the regime.

If nothing else, we've cleaned up some slop, knocked a few rogues back on their heels and made 'the street' think twice before messing with us.

Unless someone has some compelling reason why Saddam should still be in power (aside from, let's say, his internal reign of terror) I'm still hard-pressed to find the downside.

Let the handwringers wring their hands. I think we did the world a service, and ourselves too. How often does that happen?

55 posted on 07/23/2003 2:15:18 PM PDT by IncPen
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To: IncPen
Considering the bag of lunatics that comprise your average middle eastern country, the material alone is reason enough to snuff the regime.

But they haven't found any material yet either except for some bags of beans...

If nothing else, we've cleaned up some slop, knocked a few rogues back on their heels and made 'the street' think twice before messing with us.

Wow, you know I'm absolutely sure that's not what the intent was originally of the Armed Forces. Forget defense, just go out and get some respect?

Unless someone has some compelling reason why Saddam should still be in power (aside from, let's say, his internal reign of terror) I'm still hard-pressed to find the downside.

Mind you, I'm glad in a way Hussein is gone as well, however it's quite evident what the downside is. Or are brave men and women of the Armed Forces after the end of the war being murdered in Iraq for a reason?

Let the handwringers wring their hands. I think we did the world a service, and ourselves too. How often does that happen?

Exactly how did we 'do ourselves' a service? If the WMDs aren't there, all that happened was the subjugation of a third world nation. And all the while Saudi Arabia, our 'ally', continues its support of Hamas and North Korea builds more bombs. Of course N Korea is probably the only nation with a worse human rights campaign and they have WMDs.

56 posted on 07/23/2003 2:30:44 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
But they haven't found any material yet either except for some bags of beans...

Senator Warner, among others, begs to differ. Patience.

Wow, you know I'm absolutely sure that's not what the intent was originally of the Armed Forces. Forget defense, just go out and get some respect?

The concept of 'getting respect' was laid out clearly in the Bush Doctrine. If you didn't like September 11th, the Doctrine is the remedy. Unless you have a better idea.

Mind you, I'm glad in a way Hussein is gone as well, however it's quite evident what the downside is. Or are brave men and women of the Armed Forces after the end of the war being murdered in Iraq for a reason?

Yes. Freedom is not free. That the thugs are willing to try a war of attrition is a surprise to noone, except those who ignore both sides of history. Doing the right thing is not easy, and it's infinitely more important to do the right thing when it's not easy.

Exactly how did we 'do ourselves' a service?

I don't know about you, but I'm less worried about an Iraqi-funded attack on the US than I was, say 6 moths ago. And I'm sure that the families of the homicide bombers in Israel are discomfited having to look elsewhere for the $15,000 checks that Saddam was sending each of them. How's that for a start?

If the WMDs aren't there, all that happened was the subjugation of a third world nation.

A third world nation with all the potential in the world (oil) bottled up in one person's maniacal psychosis. And I'm not talking about Iraqi oil for us, I'm talking about Iraqi oil for Iraq. Is Saddam's not truer subjugation than what we have wrought?

And all the while Saudi Arabia, our 'ally', continues its support of Hamas

We'll see about that...

and North Korea builds more bombs. Of course N Korea is probably the only nation with a worse human rights campaign and they have WMDs.

North Korea announced their nuclear program after our buildup against Saddam was under way. North Korea can be brought to heel by China via our economic vise. China needs our business, not the other way around. It is appealing but simple-minded to compare Iraq and NK; they're completely different situations.

57 posted on 07/23/2003 2:52:29 PM PDT by IncPen
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To: Enemy Of The State
This is particularly the case since it has become increasingly clear in retrospect that Iraq did not pose anything resembling the imminent threat to the United States that President Bush repeatedly alleged that it did prior to the US invasion.

Geez, these libs are either viscious or STUPID. Were'nt they LISTENING when we were debating the use of a PRE-EMPTIVE strike? The whole point of this debate was that we COULD NOT WAIT for the threat to be imminent. Bush many times said that while it was not now an imminent threat, that the cost of waiting for the threat to become imminent would be to high. That's the whole point. Now they want to revise history (surprise, surprise) to say that Bush was claiming the threat WAS imminent. He was not.
58 posted on 07/23/2003 3:24:58 PM PDT by zencycler
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To: zencycler; All
In all honesty, I did not support the invasion of Iraq for the reasons of WMD because I felt and still do that it was simply an excuse to further an agenda. However, I did give my support for the long term effects which are now starting to show. Take for example the Iranian students protesting for Democracy, Syria expelling Iraqi members of government, Palestinans and Israelis at the peace table...ect..

This would not be happening if the worlds strongest military was not in their back yard.
59 posted on 07/23/2003 3:44:35 PM PDT by Enemy Of The State (If we don't take action now, We settle for nothing later!)
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To: Poohbah; Catspaw; dighton; BlueLancer
Grrrrrrr.......
60 posted on 07/23/2003 3:46:53 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (...ignorance can be fixed, but stupid is forever...)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Crack. It does a brain ugly.
61 posted on 07/23/2003 3:47:54 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: Poohbah; Catspaw; dighton; BlueLancer; wimpycat
Oh, wait, it gets better. It is the uberpaleo dolt, David Pyne.

And don't we all remember him?

62 posted on 07/23/2003 3:50:30 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (...ignorance can be fixed, but stupid is forever...)
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To: Poohbah
High quality rock. Its not just for breakfast anymore.....
63 posted on 07/23/2003 3:51:40 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (...ignorance can be fixed, but stupid is forever...)
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To: Enemy Of The State
Aside from the mass graves, of course.
64 posted on 07/23/2003 3:53:05 PM PDT by AlGone2001 (If liberals must lie to advance their agenda, why is liberalism good for me?)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Wonder if the FBI ever visited him for his more intemperate remarks re: his security clearance...
65 posted on 07/23/2003 3:53:06 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks; Amelia; DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; Howlin
David Pyne rides again.....
66 posted on 07/23/2003 3:53:36 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (...ignorance can be fixed, but stupid is forever...)
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To: AlGone2001
One can't deny the humanitarian abuses, but that is never a reason to send our men and women into harms way.

Otherwise why arent we already in China or North Korea?
67 posted on 07/23/2003 3:55:01 PM PDT by Enemy Of The State (If we don't take action now, We settle for nothing later!)
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To: Poohbah; Long Cut; CWOJackson
Yup. Mr. Pyne, DOD civilian intel analyst extraordinaire, dogging his own bosses while on the Pentagon clock, and bragging about what all he knew about things all across the net.
68 posted on 07/23/2003 3:56:14 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (...ignorance can be fixed, but stupid is forever...)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Oh, wait, it gets better. It is the uberpaleo dolt, David Pyne.

Is that the guy from the Talking Heads?

69 posted on 07/23/2003 3:57:11 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: billbears
the administration has changed from 'immediate threat'

Liar.

Find it. Anywhere. Any administration official using language close to "immediate threat". What part of "grave and gathering" do you fail to understand?

70 posted on 07/23/2003 3:57:55 PM PDT by AmishDude (I don't know why I bother. We go through this same routine on every Iraq thread.)
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To: Enemy Of The State
Iraq war justification: It isn't about the "or"s, it's about the "and"s.

In other words, holes can be poked into any single justification, but the aggregate is just too overwhelming to ignore.

71 posted on 07/23/2003 3:59:49 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: Catspaw
He may as well be a musician, because for all his paleocon bloviating, there isn't much coherent thought.
72 posted on 07/23/2003 4:00:02 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (...ignorance can be fixed, but stupid is forever...)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Easy mistake, you know--Pyne, Byrne....

Just another paleo-whiner.

73 posted on 07/23/2003 4:02:03 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: AmishDude
And just what would the aggregate be?

as I stated in my posts above, I never supported the invasion for the reasons given by the Bush Admin. However, I did support it for the quiet reasons that were never mentioned. Such as the long term plan for peace in the middle east. With Saddam gone, now there is a chance to stablize the region.

Sometimes you just have to bully a bully.
74 posted on 07/23/2003 4:05:57 PM PDT by Enemy Of The State (If we don't take action now, We settle for nothing later!)
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To: LS
Real conservatives don't hide behind the "isolationist" blatherings of Buchanan, but understand that an active foreign policy of taking out your enemies is preferable to 9/11.

Horse dung. This country was made great under protectionist policies that lasted throughout the building of this great country. Only in the last several decades has this been changing radically. And look at the economy, look at how many of our jobs are leaving for third world countries, look at our manufacturing base, as we continue to import millions both legal and illegals to flood our very sick job market.

Thanks, but I'll go with Buchanan's America first policies. I've seen enough of this global economy BS. Are you waiting for it to get worse? You may not have a long wait.

75 posted on 07/23/2003 4:06:20 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (Are these people for real?)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I remember 'ol Dave! he just LUUUVVVEDD to brag about himself around here...and toss off enough Bravo Sierra to fill a railcar,

The man is dumber than a Yugo full of anvils.

76 posted on 07/23/2003 4:07:30 PM PDT by Long Cut (Mini-Cut: Our baby BOY born 10 July 2003, 7 pounds, 13 ounces. Welcome to the world, SON!)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; Long Cut
The man is dumber than a Yugo full of anvils.

Yup, that's the guy.

77 posted on 07/23/2003 4:14:28 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Long Cut
Hey, I just noticed your tagline:

Mini-Cut: Our baby BOY born 10 July 2003, 7 pounds, 13 ounces. Welcome to the world, SON!

Congrats, Dad!

78 posted on 07/23/2003 4:15:40 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Go for it. Buchanan would have invited AQ to bomb Seattle and Phoenix and other places too, just so we don't "get involved" overseas.

And yes, we did have protectionist policies, and yes, the cost us tremendously. The Smoot-Hawley tariff is estimated to have cost us 5% of GNP, or the equivalent of the Navigation Acts AND the OPEC oil embargo of the 1970s combined. Yep, them's smart policies. Thank God ol' Patty isn't in charge, because things would already have gotten worse.

79 posted on 07/23/2003 4:34:27 PM PDT by LS
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Does this mean I have to read this bilge? (I wonder if the kid is in the Top Ramen phase of unemployment yet.)
80 posted on 07/23/2003 4:53:49 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (It's not a crack house. It's a crack home.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Does this mean I have to read this bilge?


You notice that the poster didn't include the author, etc in the posting.....
81 posted on 07/23/2003 5:08:21 PM PDT by deport (On a hot day don't kick a cow chip...... only democrat enablers..)
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To: deport; Chancellor Palpatine; Long Cut; CWOJackson
You notice that the poster didn't include the author, etc in the posting.....

Gosh, I wonder why he didn't do that?

82 posted on 07/23/2003 5:13:26 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: Poohbah; Chancellor Palpatine; deport; Catspaw; Howlin
To be fair, the author's name doesn't show up in the link. But when you get to the home page you get:

David T. Pyne, Esq.
President & CEO
Center for the National Security Interest

83 posted on 07/23/2003 5:30:21 PM PDT by wimpycat (Down with Kooks and Kookery!)
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To: LS; Poohbah; Chancellor Palpatine; Catspaw
"Thank God ol' Patty isn't in charge, because things would already have gotten worse."

It would seem that the overwhelming majority of voters realize this, too, considering the fact that Herr Oberst Buchanan failed to convince about 99% of them to vote for him last time.

Hey, but on the bright side, Patso DID manage to utterly destroy the Reform Party. What a leader!

It is beyond comprehension that so many presumably intelligent, well-informed people still think he's some kind of Messiah. P.T. Barnum was right...

84 posted on 07/23/2003 5:32:43 PM PDT by Long Cut (Mini-Cut: Our baby BOY born 10 July 2003, 7 pounds, 13 ounces. Welcome to the world, SON!)
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To: Catspaw
"Congrats, Dad!"

Thanks, Cats!

85 posted on 07/23/2003 5:33:53 PM PDT by Long Cut (Mini-Cut: Our baby BOY born 10 July 2003, 7 pounds, 13 ounces. Welcome to the world, SON!)
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To: wimpycat
What a shock, eh?
86 posted on 07/23/2003 5:42:17 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Into the sunset?
87 posted on 07/23/2003 5:42:42 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: wimpycat
Formerly known as a freeper here....real whacked out bozo, imo.
88 posted on 07/23/2003 5:43:32 PM PDT by justshe (Educate....not Denigrate !)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
"It is the uberpaleo dolt, David Pyne."

I wonder if he's still a highly placed and trusted Pentagon civilian employee who reads all the intell available to the JSC?

Is "Payne" French?

89 posted on 07/23/2003 6:47:12 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Long Cut
BZ on the young airdale.
90 posted on 07/23/2003 6:47:43 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: AmishDude
What an argument. Liar. I tell you I don't know if I can come back from that. Oh, wait a minute....
The White House, in the run-up to war in Iraq, did not seek CIA approval before charging that Saddam Hussein could launch a biological or chemical attack within 45 minutes, administration officials now say.

The claim, which has since been discredited, was made twice by President Bush, in a September Rose Garden appearance after meeting with lawmakers and in a Saturday radio address the same week. Bush attributed the claim to the British government, but in a "Global Message" issued Sept. 26 and still on the White House Web site, the White House claimed, without attribution, that Iraq "could launch a biological or chemical attack 45 minutes after the order is given."

If 45 minutes isn't immediate I don't know what is....
91 posted on 07/23/2003 8:03:47 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
Source?
92 posted on 07/23/2003 9:51:29 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: philosofy123
While the people of many countries danced in the streets on 9/11, thousands of Iranians bravely poured out into the streets to hold candlelight vigils for the WTC victims. Same thing last year:

The Japan Today > Iran breaks up 9-11 remembrance ceremony > By PrimaNews

> > September 13, 2002

> > TEHRAN - Thousands of people were forced by Iranian > security forces to disperse Wednesday night when they took > to the streets of Iranian cities to hold solemn ceremonies > to commemorate the first anniversary of the terrorist > attacks against the United States.

> > The Student Movement Coordinating Committee for Democracy > in Iran (SMCCDI) reported that attempts to hold remembrance > meetings were recorded in Tehran, Shiraz, Hamedan, > Kermanshah, and Piranshahr. Demonstrators were chanting > "Our condolences to America!" and "Down with Iranian > Taliban!"

To say I don't agree with you is an understatement.

93 posted on 07/24/2003 6:54:21 AM PDT by Frances_Marion
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To: Frances_Marion
This situation in Iran, and Saudi Arabia is exaggerated by the “insiders” to help pacify our public distrust of both of these evil regimes. Iran has lots of intellectuals, and well to do families who yearn to the good old days of modern living. However, these people are not influential, and are constantly beaten by the radical Islamists. There will NEVER be a revolution from within. Just remember, the Iraq oppressive regime; every time there was an uprising it was met with brutal force. The same goes with ALL dictatorships in the Moslem world. The brutality of Islam and its theology of intolerance come shining through—there is no toleration of oppositions. Remember Saddam ordered his son killed! Lots of these Moslem leaders do the same. The brother of the King of Saudi Arabia killed him to take over, Nasser, Killed his own best friend Amer,….

Furthermore, the media, and the Administration like to tell us that Saudi Arabia is cooperating and cracking down on militants. If Saudi Arabia really wants to crack down on militants, it must kill every single Saudi, including the King—every single one of them is full of hate. Read the CIA agent’s book SLEEPING WITH THE ENEMY- a book about the US appeasement of the evil Saudis.

94 posted on 07/24/2003 7:25:46 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: LS
Go for it. Buchanan would have invited AQ to bomb Seattle and Phoenix and other places too, just so we don't "get involved" overseas.

Huh? Man, you seem hysterical. LOL!

And yes, we did have protectionist policies, and yes, the cost us tremendously.

Cost us? This country was built great under protectionist policies. Look at what we have now! At this rate in five years, we will no longer manufacture anything, and another 5 million jobs will be exported. You think this is a good thing?

95 posted on 07/24/2003 8:35:11 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (Are these people for real?)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I heard this in the 1980s. "Japan is the bogeyman." All our manufacturing jobs are going to Japan. Surprise. We're still here, Japan ain't.
96 posted on 07/24/2003 9:28:51 AM PDT by LS
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To: LS
Your comparing what is going on now with 1980? LOL!
97 posted on 07/24/2003 10:10:59 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
I'm comparing the hysteria of the two periods, yes. Exactly the same. Only now, China is the bogeyman.
98 posted on 07/24/2003 10:14:48 AM PDT by LS
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To: LS
Exactly the same? You cannot seriously be comparing Japan to a country the size of China, with it's population of billions, and the epic outsourcing of American jobs that is now taking place, as we speak. Sorry, what is going on now, is in no way like 1980.....
99 posted on 07/24/2003 10:29:04 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
You are right. Japan was a bigger threat, since, unlike China, it was high tech and competed with us in computer chips and steel. China competes with toys and plastic crap. Yeah, I'm terrified of Tyco outsourcing to Peking and its "billions."
100 posted on 07/24/2003 5:35:17 PM PDT by LS
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