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GOP Senators Blame Nature for Climate Change
Environmental News Service ^ | 29 July 2003 | J.R. Pegg

Posted on 07/30/2003 3:34:18 PM PDT by demlosers

WASHINGTON, DC, July 29, 2003 (ENS) - Some Senate Republicans say there is considerable doubt that the climate is warming and if it is, humans are not responsible. Backing up statements he made on the Senate floor Monday, Oklahoma Senator James Inhofe today told colleagues of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee that the science shows natural variability, not human activity, is the "overwhelming factor" influencing climate change.

Inhofe cited findings of a study by Drs. Willie Soon and Sallie Baliunas of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics that determined the 20th century was neither the warmest nor the century with the most extreme weather within the past millennium.

The findings of this "most comprehensive study shivers the timbers of the adrift chicken little crowd," said Inhofe, who is chair of the Environment and Public Works Committee. "It is a credible, well documented and scientifically defensible study examining the history of climate change."

But a climate expert at today's hearing told Inhofe that the mainstream climate research community believes the Soon and Baliunas study is "nonsense."

The study is "fundamentally unsound," testified Michael Mann, University of Virginia environmental sciences professor and a lead author of the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Third Assessment Report.

Most scientists are convinced that greenhouse gas emissions are causing the planet's climate to change, but some U.S. politicians do not share this view. (Photo courtesy the David Suzuki Foundation) Natural variability is a large factor in climate change, Mann said, but it can not explain the warming of the past two decades.

There is no doubt that "mainstream climate researchers" have concluded that the warming in the late 20th century is "unprecedented in a very long term context and that this warmth is likely related to the activity of human beings," Mann told the committee.

Today's hearing illustrated the contentious debate over climate change in American politics, as the Bush administration and some in Congress contend that the science is too uncertain for the government to force industry to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, in particular carbon dioxide (C02).

For many there appears overwhelming evidence - from the United Nations, the U.S. government and independent researchers across the globe - that human activities, in particular the burning of fossil fuels, is impacting the climate.

The IPCC panel, for example, says that atmospheric concentrations of CO2 have increased to a level higher than at any time during the last 420,000 years.

Mann said today that new evidence indicates these levels have not been seen for some 10 million to 20 million years, since the time of the dinosaurs. Many scientists predict that the average global temperature could rise from one to four degrees Fahrenheit by 2050 and some say it could rise as much as 10.4 degrees Fahrenheit over the next 100 years.

Critics believe the administration and its Congressional allies are casting doubt on the science in order to avoid difficult political choices about how to address the concern.

The Bush administration said last week that it was launching a new initiative to study climate change, amid criticism that it edited a U.S. Environmental Protection Agency report to remove references to global warming.

"I know these debates have political implications because heaven forbid we would tell somebody in the private sector not to do something or that we might have to make sacrifices in the quality of our life for future generations," said Senator Hillary Clinton, a New York Democrat. "But it is not useful to carry out this kind of argumentation when it is clear by the very nature of human development and industrialization we have changed is in the atmosphere, in the Earth and in the waters."

There are several bills before the Senate that would put caps on carbon dioxide emissions and there is a good chance proponents will try to tack amendments with similar intent to the Senate energy bill this week.

These caps would "devastate" the economy, said Inhofe, by increasing energy prices and causing coal-fired plants to switch to natural gas.

Senator James Inhofe, an Oklahoma Republican, gave a long speech on the Senate floor Monday debunking science that finds humans responsible for climate change. (Photo by Paul Morse courtesy the Senator Inhofe's office)

Inhofe said today's hearing was an attempt to hone in on "sound science" as the Senate considers the implications of climate change. "It is no secret that we are not scientists up here, so we look at things logically," he said.

Inhofe rejected Mann's analysis and noted that his study, which shows a spike in warming in the late 20th century, came out in 1999, whereas the Soon and Baliunas study came out in 2003.

Mann's research is commonly referred to as the "hockey stick" study, because it shows a relatively stable trend in climate temperatures until a sharp up tick in the past two decades.

This new study "shifts the paradigm away from the previous hockey stick study," Inhofe said.

The latter study finds that natural variability, including land use changes and the output of the Sun, is responsible for any climate change over the past 1,000 years.

"The climate of the 20th century is neither unreasonable nor the most extreme," Soon told the committee.

There was a warming trend from about 800 A.D. to 1300 A.D., he said, then general cooling until 1900 A.D. - a "little ice age."

The Soon and Baliunas study gets beyond the observational biases of much of the climate research to date, said Dr. David Legates, director of Center for Climatic Research at the University of Delaware's Department of Geography.

It has the "inescapable conclusion that climate variability has been a natural occurrence," Legates said.

Mann contends that Soon and Baliunas misuse proxy data reflective of changes in moisture and drought, rather than temperature, and do not distinguish between regional temperature anomalies and hemispheric mean temperature. In addition, Mann says the Harvard Smithsonian scientists did not correctly account for uncertainties and failed to accurately define the modern base period to compare past climate to.

"There is little valid in that paper, they got just about everything wrong," Mann said.

Some media reports, in particular by Cox News Service, have also found the Soon and Baliunas research was underwritten by the American Petroleum Institution - an industry trade association - but Inhofe and others are adamant the study is sound.

"It is easy for me to believe there is a trend of warming, but the bottom line is what is causing it and what are the long term effects," said Colorado Republican Wayne Allard. "I am not sure scientists understand all the variables."

Many say changing weather patterns from climate change will disproportionately impact the world's poorest citizens. (Photo by C. Errath courtesy Food and Agriculture Organization) Land use, in particular urbanization, clearly must account for some of the warming that scientists say is occurring, he told Mann.

"It seems to be a fundamental concept," Allard said. "From my practical experience it seems to me there is warming effect from pavement. When I walk out on pavement with my bare feet they get burned. If I walk on grass they feel cooler."

"When you are walking, you are only covering a small fraction of the Earth," Mann responded. "The urban heat island effect is overwhelmed by larger scale changes that we do not necessarily see because they are not where we are walking around. Large surface areas of the Earth are being changed in terms of their vegetation characteristics and that has a net cooling effect - that answer is clear in the peer review research."

Allard added that water vapor - not C02 - is not the major greenhouse gas and said that all greenhouse gases should be considered within the debate.

Mann agreed, and said it would be "shortsighted to talk only about C02."

"It is extremely misleading, however, when scientists cite the role of water vapor as a greenhouse gas," Mann explained. "The concentration of water vapor in the atmosphere can not be controlled by us directly. It is fixed by the surface temperature of the Earth."

It is the trace gases - methane, C02, nitrous oxides, and chlorofluorocarbons - that "we can actually control," Mann explained.

How to control these emissions is at the center of the U.S. debate over climate change - the nation contributes more than 25 percent of the world's total greenhouse gas emissions. Supporters of aggressive action say that it is too risky not to act.

"The challenge is not to put our heads in the sand and let the academic argument take place, but figure out how in a sensible and prudent manner we could ameliorate these changes," said Clinton.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: climatechange; environment; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; hitleryclinton; jamesinhofe; michaelmann; naturalvariability; republican; senate
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The study is "fundamentally unsound," testified Michael Mann, University of Virginia environmental sciences professor and a lead author of the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Third Assessment Report.

You need to you give back your degree professor. The crap you guys pass of as truth is logically unsound.

1 posted on 07/30/2003 3:34:19 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: demlosers
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arrggg!

2 posted on 07/30/2003 3:36:17 PM PDT by demlosers (Come out of the shadows)
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To: demlosers
Bump
3 posted on 07/30/2003 3:40:37 PM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: demlosers
"Mann said today that new evdence indicates these levels have not been seen for some 10 million to 20 million years, since the time of the dinosaurs"
Professor, the dinosaurs became extinct 65 million years ago, you twit!!!
The scientifically illiterate and just plain jerks (RATS;) love to lap this slop up...
4 posted on 07/30/2003 3:49:00 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: demlosers
SPOTREP
5 posted on 07/30/2003 3:49:15 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: demlosers
Global warming is real but mankind probably is not responsible for it even though we pollute the plant. The primary cause of cyclic global warming and cooling is the Sun !. It is a scientific fact that the earth warms and cools in predictable cycles. We are on the edge of a global cooling cycle right now. Severe cooling will be more disruptive to civilization than global warming.
6 posted on 07/30/2003 3:55:19 PM PDT by ex-Texan (My tag line is broken !)
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"It is extremely misleading, however, when scientists cite the role of water vapor as a greenhouse gas," Mann explained. "The concentration of water vapor in the atmosphere can not be controlled by us directly."

Uh huh. Right Professor. We should ignore water vapor as a greenhouse gas becasue we don't "control it". Don't these guys get embarrassed saying this stuff in public?

"It seems to be a fundamental concept," Allard said. "From my practical experience it seems to me there is warming effect from pavement. When I walk out on pavement with my bare feet they get burned. If I walk on grass they feel cooler."

Politician think. What they personally experience in Warshington D.C. can be extrapolated to the entire world.

Perhaps Allard should look at a globe some time and see how much of the earth is covered by water (which would make his feet feel "cool"), and how much is covered by pavement.

7 posted on 07/30/2003 3:58:12 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: demlosers; AAABEST; Ace2U; Alamo-Girl; Alas; amom; AndreaZingg; Anonymous2; ApesForEvolution; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.

Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.

8 posted on 07/30/2003 3:59:10 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: BigBobber
Better yet- take him out to Death Vally- high noon in mid summer and see how far he can walk with no shoe's!!
9 posted on 07/30/2003 4:04:52 PM PDT by 1FreeAmerican
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To: ex-Texan
The primary cause of cyclic global warming and cooling is the Sun !

Yes, Yes, 1000 times YES!!!!

I have NEVER met an astronomer who believes in Global Warming. Just an itty-bitty change in the sun's output can really ruin your day/month/year/century here.

Its the sun, people. The SUN.

10 posted on 07/30/2003 4:09:07 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: demlosers
Let's see...ah, yes...slightly biased source...Environment News Service...

The Deep Green Machine is becoming a bit more hysterical...they are being caught with their trousers around their ankles by the common sense crowd, and they hate it...they just HATE IT!!!

Professor Mann has a vested interest in making sure the world believes humans are responsible for all global warming. The non-accountable power he holds as a key member of the IPCC depends on the world believing and hanging on his every pronouncement from On High. His stature depends on the historically ignorant masses who are not even remotely aware that the Norse people who once lived sustainable lives in Labrador couldn't do it today...because Labrador is still a lot colder than it was when they had communities there.

A week or so ago there was a program about climate change on the Discovery Science Channel. Guess what? The scientists on that program were pointing the primary finger of blame toward the sun, with human activity holding a primarily localized minority role.

There are quality scientists on both sides of the argument...and there are some agenda-driven, less than ethical ones on both sides, too. As near as I can tell, we're somewhere about 50-50 in the science world on the whole question of climate change. The computer models on long and short range climate change are all over the map, ant the results they produce are often cherry-picked to support one claim or another.

The question with the greatest degree of reality in all of this is whether we are going to play King Canute and try to prevent the temperature from perhaps rising on average this century, or whether we are going to sink a portion of those resources into adpating to the change that's happening whether we like it or not. Liberal and environmental activist philosophies prefer the former...because that way you get to establish greater control over entire populations. Conservative and environmental stewardship thought tends toward the idea of adapting to the changes.

Humanity has been successful as a species through its incredible adaptability. Strip away the opportunity to employ that adaptability, and what chance does humanity have in the long run?

11 posted on 07/30/2003 4:18:53 PM PDT by gaelwolf
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To: MrsEmmaPeel
The Sun also explains global warming that has been discovered to be taking place on Pluto. Unless the liberals want to blame that on evil American industrial production too.
12 posted on 07/30/2003 4:53:42 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy
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To: demlosers
"Some media reports, in particular by Cox News Service, have also found the Soon and Baliunas research was underwritten by the American Petroleum Institution..."

Want to guess what got left out here? What the media somehow seems to have forgotten to mention was that the study was funded by NASA, the Air Force Office of Scientific Research, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, AND the American Petroleum Institute (see http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/press/pr0310.html if you have any questions). Of course, that information is readily available in the press release...so why isn't it mentioned in so many of the articles about the study?

Easy answer: it's really hard to be dismissive of someone's well-researched and well-documented work that gets squarely in the way of your agenda if you have to mention the inconvenient fact that NASA, the USAF, and NOAA were all funding them.

Soon and Baliunas have their facts straight and other studies are already supporting their work. Watch for the Left to try to do ANYTHING to discredit/dismiss their work because this study will utterly derail all of their Kyoto dreams.

"Global warming" is nothing but a myth, and it's one made up by the Left to further their bankrupt agenda. Spread the word.
13 posted on 07/30/2003 5:13:45 PM PDT by Steely Glint ("Political language...is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable..." - G. Orwell)
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To: demlosers
how can anyone argue about "global warming" without looking at Mars and Titan?
14 posted on 07/30/2003 5:16:17 PM PDT by King Prout (people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
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I take it that you, also, have seen the 30-year mean-temp graphs for Mars and Titan.
15 posted on 07/30/2003 5:18:16 PM PDT by King Prout (people hear and do not listen, see and do not observe, speak without thought, post and not edit)
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The study is "fundamentally unsound," testified Michael Mann, University of Virginia environmental sciences professor and a lead author of the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Third Assessment Report.

I would love to know this clown's standing in the scientific community.
Of the following, however, there is no doubt; commenting on unwarranted conclusions made from ambiguous data:

In the early 1990s Lindzen was asked to contribute to the IPCC's 1995 report. At the time, he held (and still does) that untangling human influences from the natural variation of the global climate is next to impossible. When the report's summary came out, he was dismayed to read its conclusion: "The balance of evidence suggests that there is a discernible human influence on global climate." "That struck me as bizarre," he says. "Because without saying how much the effect was, the statement had no meaning. If it was discernible and very small, for instance, it would be no problem." Environmentalist Bill McKibbon referred to this phrase in an article in The Atlantic in May 1998: "The panel's 2,000 scientists, from every corner of the globe, summed up their findings in this dry but historic bit of understatement." In an angry letter, Lindzen wrote that the full report "takes great pains to point out that the statement has no implications for the magnitude of the effect, is dependent on the [dubious] assumption that natural variability obtained from [computer] models is the same as that in nature, and, even with these caveats, is largely a subjective matter."

16 posted on 07/30/2003 5:36:28 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: demlosers
I'm still waiting for the "ice age" these same scientists predicted back in the 70s.
17 posted on 07/30/2003 7:50:33 PM PDT by waRNmother.armyboots
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18 posted on 07/30/2003 8:03:41 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (All we need from a Governor is a VETO PEN!!!)
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To: demlosers
Related article:

Energy Legislation -- Help Needed

19 posted on 07/30/2003 8:07:34 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (All we need from a Governor is a VETO PEN!!!)
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BTTT!!!!!!
20 posted on 07/31/2003 3:04:13 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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