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Gibson's gaffe. Mel Gibson needs to take a history class.
Jewsweek ^ | 7/31/03 | Regenstein

Posted on 07/30/2003 8:19:47 PM PDT by DPB101

Gibson's gaffe. Mel Gibson needs to take a history class. It was the Romans, not the Jews, who were the Christ killers.

The flood of recent articles and publicity on Mel Gibson's forthcoming movie on Jesus' crucifixion have failed to mention the most important point about this controversy: if the movie does tell the truth about the cruelty and brutality of Jesus' crucifixion, it will make it clear that it was the Romans, not the Jews, who are the real "Christ killers".

According to the Christian Bible ( the "New Testament", especially the Gospel of Mark), Jesus, his family, and virtually all of his followers and disciples at the time were Jews. Jesus preached almost exclusively to the Jews ("the multitudes"), who dined and walked with him. It was his popularity with the Jewish people that caused Jesus to be killed by the ruling Roman authorities; and it was Jews who took Jesus off the cross, prepared him for "burial," mourned him, and then got the blame for the crime.

While a small clique of Jewish collaborators in the ruling classes are purported to have urged the Romans on, they had no real political power, all of which was held by the ruling Romans. All accounts make it clear that it was Romans who condemned Jesus to death, tortured him, put a crown of thorns on his head, spat on him, crucified him, even ran him through with a sword, fearing that this popular Jewish reformer with a huge Jewish following was a threat to Roman law and order.

The Romans went on to kill Jesus' closest disciples Peter and Paul, along with countless other Jewish "Christians", and eventually killed or expelled from the region almost all of the Jews, thus setting the stage for 2,000 years of Jewish suffering and persecution, and for the violence and territorial disputes that plague the Holy Land today.

It is unfortunate that Gibson's movie will apparently fail to make it clear who really killed Jesus, and instead will repeat the ancient blood libels that actually contradict the New Testament's account of the murder, and which have been used since that time to stir up hatred for Jesus' own people.

Indeed, the New Testament account of these events could be used to discredit Gibson's movie, which he claims is based on the truthful version of events as set forth in the Christian bible.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: acts236; barabus; catholiclist; gibson; passion
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To: dts32041
Your interpretation agrees with my reading of the Gospels-- just read all 4 for the first time over the past 2-3 months.
21 posted on 07/30/2003 8:41:54 PM PDT by walden
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To: Threepwood
Their blog is worse.
22 posted on 07/30/2003 8:42:06 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: fortunecookie; *Catholic_list
"...sedition or insurrection...."

Yes. The Pharisees implied to the Roman governors that One who calls Himself "King of the Jews" means to make an insurrection against Rome and govern the Jews Himself.

It is not believed that all Jews demanded His crucifixion, but only those whose power He threatened: the Pharisees and Saducees.

All of this is, of course, if I recall correctly.

23 posted on 07/30/2003 8:42:08 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: right way right
Now you have it right! It was our sin that killed Jesus.
24 posted on 07/30/2003 8:42:52 PM PDT by roylene
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To: swilhelm73
The difference between the Jews and the Romans was that the Romans were not the Chosen People who were blessed with a Covenant with God for 4,000 years. I have always assumed that this is why Israel paid a terrible price for the rejection of Christ when Jerusalem was sacked by the Romans in 70 AD.

It is not a coincidence that the first "convert" after the crucifixion of Christ was the Roman centurion who stood guard at the foot of the cross.

25 posted on 07/30/2003 8:43:39 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: DPB101
I wonder if the author of that article actually viewed the movie in question.
26 posted on 07/30/2003 8:44:02 PM PDT by buffman
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To: DPB101
Strange that so much fuss is being made about this movie - in Andrew Lloyd Webber's Jesus Christ Superstar the same message was given - that it was the Jewish leaders who wanted Christ dead - recall the scene from the motion picture with all the leaders dressed in black on the scaffolding, singing en masse "This Jesus must, Jesus must, Jesus must die" - I don't remember any objections at all to either the Broadway presentation or the movie......
27 posted on 07/30/2003 8:44:46 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Fifth Business
Read further. It gets good.

Uh huh. That just leaped right out at me, too. (see #3)

28 posted on 07/30/2003 8:44:59 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: DPB101
I thought there was plenty of blame to go around for Jesus' crucifixion. After all, at the end, didn't even the disciples deny any connection with him.
29 posted on 07/30/2003 8:45:39 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: roylene
Thank You.
30 posted on 07/30/2003 8:47:36 PM PDT by right way right (Tag!)
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To: DPB101
This must be a terrific movie. All the right people hate it.
31 posted on 07/30/2003 8:47:50 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: DPB101
Link?
32 posted on 07/30/2003 8:47:51 PM PDT by Threepwood
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To: vbmoneyspender
I thought there was plenty of blame to go around for Jesus' crucifixion. After all, at the end, didn't even the disciples deny any connection with him.

Ultimately, I believe that if a Christian is confronted with the question "Who Crucified Christ?" the appropriate answer is "I did."

I, Petronski, crucified Christ.

But, Hallelujah, He saves.

33 posted on 07/30/2003 8:48:31 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: right way right
Mad props to you for this excellent post.
34 posted on 07/30/2003 8:49:26 PM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: vbmoneyspender
I thought there was plenty of blame to go around for Jesus' crucifixion.

I don't know why people bother with blame. It was necessary for it all to happen the way it did.

35 posted on 07/30/2003 8:52:11 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: DPB101
There was a tape in the white house when Nixon was president and we're still trying to figure out who said what. Those who know what really happened in the conversations between Pilate and the others and who was responsible for what amaze me.

This is not a faith issue. It is a history issue and you'll probably never know. So the comments about Gidson are unprovable and arrogant.

When there's some provable history, we'll all take the lesson.

36 posted on 07/30/2003 8:53:35 PM PDT by breakem
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To: Richard Kimball
Regenstein is remiss for not mentioning a most important fact. If Romans are the ones really responsible for the death of Christ--we have to warn the Italians! Regenstein says a misreading of their Bible has caused Christians to persecute Jews--just think what Christians will do to Italians when they find out they were the ones who did it. Pizza joints all over America may go up in flames.
37 posted on 07/30/2003 8:54:30 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: dts32041
The Pharisee's and their council the Sanhedrin conspired with Judas to betray Jesus, and they took him to Pilate (the Roman Procurator) for execution, knowing they couldn't kill Jesus but they persuaded Pilate to use his authority on trumped up charges to execute Jesus:

John 18:

Jesus Before Pilate
28Then the Jews led Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness the Jews did not enter the palace; they wanted to be able to eat the Passover. 29So Pilate came out to them and asked, "What charges are you bringing against this man?" 30"If he were not a criminal," they replied, "we would not have handed him over to you." 31Pilate said, "Take him yourselves and judge him by your own law." 32"But we have no right to execute anyone," the Jews objected. This happened so that the words Jesus had spoken indicating the kind of death he was going to die would be fulfilled.
When Pilate wanted to punish Jesus and release him, the Jewish leaders and the crowd wanted Barabbas released and Jesus crucified:

Luke 23:

13Pilate called together the chief priests, the rulers and the people, 14and said to them, "You brought me this man as one who was inciting the people to rebellion. I have examined him in your presence and have found no basis for your charges against him. 15Neither has Herod, for he sent him back to us; as you can see, he has done nothing to deserve death. 16Therefore, I will punish him and then release him."[3] 18With one voice they cried out, "Away with this man! Release Barabbas to us!" 19(Barabbas had been thrown into prison for an insurrection in the city, and for murder.) 20Wanting to release Jesus, Pilate appealed to them again. 21But they kept shouting, "Crucify him! Crucify him!" 22For the third time he spoke to them: "Why? What crime has this man committed? I have found in him no grounds for the death penalty. Therefore I will have him punished and then release him." 23But with loud shouts they insistently demanded that he be crucified, and their shouts prevailed. 24So Pilate decided to grant their demand. 25He released the man who had been thrown into prison for insurrection and murder, the one they asked for, and surrendered Jesus to their will.

The Jewish leaders accused him and would have killed him themselves had Roman authority permitted. But it didn't so they persuaded Pilate to do it for them against Pilate's initial finding of innocence. So the Jewish leaders most definitely were co-responsible with the Romans.

But Christ died for all our sins. We all, in fact, had a hand in killing him.

38 posted on 07/30/2003 8:56:07 PM PDT by Starwind
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To: DPB101
It may be just me, but it seems obvious that this guy hasn't even seen the movie.

From what I have heard it doesn't blame anyone. How can it? It's basically to our ears a silent movie.

I grew up a strict Chicago Catholic and it wasn't until I moved to a Jewish neighboor in Maryland at the age of 40 did I first hear that the Jews killed Christ. The nuns never taught us that. It was never even hinted at this.

It was God's plan for Christ to give up his life for us as he did. So be it.

This "Poor us. We are being accused of killing Christ" is just other liberal victimhood whine and by the fact that their critism is so strong, I'd bet it is one heck of a movie.

39 posted on 07/30/2003 8:57:19 PM PDT by lizma
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To: DPB101
I did not realize Herod was a Roman, stupid of me!
40 posted on 07/30/2003 8:59:17 PM PDT by cpdiii (RPH, Oil field Trash and proud of it)
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