PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION BAN - THE BETRAYAL IS NOW COMPLETE [BARF ALERT - ANTI-GOP PROPAGANDA]

NewsWithViews.com ^ | May 9, 2003 | By David Brownlow

[Redleg Duke]

"Is it too late?"

For you and your ilk, yeah, it is too late.

[Zack Nguyen]

Please see my post #100. The author is mis-informed.

[MHGinTN]

The poster you addressed considers the Roe fiat court ruling to have made goddesses out of ordinary women, since it granted women the 'right' to hire a serial killer to slaughter an alive child found sequestered all or partially inside a woman's body. Anything that endangers that specious status of godhood is to be scorned by the ilk such as you have addressed; she would have the serial killers (abortionists) also elevated to the godlike status of sole determiner of right to LIFE. In truth, what her ilk want is the right for a woman to authorize an abortionist to kill any child so long as that child is still attached in some way to the woman's blood supply. If they had their way (and sinator clinton with her ghouldom would champion this if they thought the American people were sufficiently dumbed down to accept it), the killing of prenatal children would be done by 'removing the alive baby with umbilicus attached, then kill the little parasites', for safety of the goddess-chooser and the benefit of the serial killer. Will this nation awaken to realize just how pernicious is the evil spirit that directs these champions of infanticide? I seriously doubt it at this late date.

[Sir Gawain]

Not everyone that has questions about the text of the bill is a Bush Basher.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Marvin, what was the legal definition of "partial birth abortion" before the passage of this bill?

Or was there even a legal definition before this?

If not, then what was the accepted definition.

[Salvation]

Prayers for the babies!!

[TigersEye]

Doctors should be able to make the best decision for each individual patient, government should stay out of the business of playing doctor just because the procedure goes against their personal religious beliefs.

You are absolutely right. Government should view abortion as murder based on the Constitutional right to life not a politicians personal religious view. I also agree that a doctor should make the best decisions possible and use his/her best abilities and tools to protect the lives of every human being under their care. If they fail to do that they should face criminal charges for intentional harm and civil suits for malpractice.

[MHGinTN]

The liberals worked hard all these years to prevent any legal definition, so this bill at the very least defines the evil method in clear and unambiguous terms. [Boxer accidentally admitted that this bill would effectively ban the most common method for killing infants reaching the 20 or more week age in their lifetimes. She has been claiming this is a rare/seldom used procedure, so she accidentally contradicted her own previous lying and dissembling ... and that ought to be more openly pointed out, especially when the lying ghoul comes up for re-election.]

The bill is also worded so well that I sincerely believe even Justice O'Connor will not strike it when the challenge comes up from the DNC operatives. ... If in fact they try that ... I suspect there will not be an immediate challenge because they would be rejected and the law would be re-affirmed!

[Registered]

You should not feel betrayed by this bill. As far as I am concerned, when it comes to the abortion issue, any movement of the ball downfield is a win. There are no "Hail Mary's" when it comes to this issue. We will have to fight the abortion industry and the feminazis tooth and nail, one small step at a time. Can you imagine playing ball with someone that flails their arms and storms off the field because we didn't score an immediate touchdown? Or complain that the coach is actually working for the other team? When I see people "flailing", I can only conclude they are not looking at what it takes to make a goal, or they are simply a weak player helping the other team.

We can be disappointed in what some in our Party do, but we need to understand that this is a small step.

Limiting access is another way to win on this issue, working at the local level, educating young people on the health hazards and moral hazards of killing the unborn, making those that perform abortions feel professionally lower than a garbage collector.

I also believe the 4D technology will help us in this battle. To think the abortion battle can be won in the courts or legislatively is simply not realistic.

Stay positive on this.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"There are no "Hail Mary's" when it comes to this issue. We will have to fight the abortion industry and the feminazis tooth and nail, one small step at a time."

Hear, hear!

[MHGinTN]

One further note, my friend. It is not uncommon for Democrat Senators to slip up and say soemthing they wish they hadn't, then have the transcript edited to expunge their words. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that Boxer has been busy expunging the transcript of the recent Senate debates, but I saw and heard her and was taping the proceedings. The DNC and their politicians are a Liars 'R' Us cabal.

[William Terrell]

Well, that has been my question: is it possible for an abortionist to kill the baby if its body or head is not entirely exposed?

You're saying it can't be done? I'm have a hard time imagining that. Look, in the pictures of newborns I've seen, if the navel is just short of being exposed or the head is partially exposed, I can see about 30 ways to kill it just like that.

Help me out here. I want this bill to work and be effective, and I don't care to "bash" Bush's, or the republicans, efforts toward that goal. I couldn't care less about whatever the "sense of the Senate" is; it has zero meaning in the bill itself. But the definition of the procedure does have meaning and that specific definition will carry a court challenge or drop it without another word from the bill being mentioned.

So, please withdraw the fangs and retract the claws. Help me see where I'm wrong and I will bless you for it. How will this bill stop partial birth abortions?

[Mo1]

Your editorial comments notwithstanding, the section you posted is taken out of context. Here is what the section you posted looks like in context

That seems to be happening a lot

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Tell me where I'm wrong."

There's not enough bandwidth.

[ServesURight]

Vote Constitution party. They're the only real party out there that'll take back America.

[Sir Gawain]

You're saying it can't be done? I'm have a hard time imagining that.

I can't find any description of D and X that goes into enough detail to clarify that. Also, D and E, which is done earlier, is most likely not covered by the ban. Let me know if you find an answer to your question.

[William Terrell]

I'm having a tough time, seems like. These guys don't seem to be concerned if the bill actually works, only that it is supported by the republicans. The logic seems to be that since this is a GWB/republican effort, any examination of the bill questioning whether it will be effective or now is a direct attack on GWB/republicans.

I don't understand it. I thought these people were pro-life, and supporting a law that is so easily circumvented doesn't seem to be walking the talk.

[epow]

(b) SENSE OF THE SENATE- It is the sense of the Senate that-- (1) the decision of the Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade (410 U.S. 113 (1973)) was appropriate and secures an important constitutional right; and (2) such decision should not be overturned. Passed the Senate March 13, 2003.

And these are the "pro-life" Republican Senators we have been donating money, time, and shoeleather to help elect for the last 30 years? Betrayal is too mild a word. Treacherous lying dogs is a more appropriate description. For thirty years we believed the Republican Senate was primarily pro-life, now we have their own words telling us plainly that they supported Roe all along. Traitors! Liars! Cowards! Their word is no better than that of Stalin or Hitler. Traitors should be stood up against a wall and shot, but these traitors will no doubt be re-elected by the same good, pro-life people they betrayed.

I am through with the entire lot, Republican and Democrats. They're all one and the same, lying traitors to their country and to the people who voted for them. When you have spent the last 45 years supporting and voting for Republicans and then you get traitorous liars like this, why even bother to vote?

[Mat_Helm]

The liberal press and even Fox have not reported this nor has the Church or any other organizations pointed this out. It is a betrayal.

God help this country when 50% of the country supports killing innocent babies, support gay marriage, divorce and rip apart their families, use drugs and medicate their children to keep them still in school, allow illegal imigration to flood the nation with open borders, allow the courts to remove God and morals completely from the public.........I have little hope of things becomming better before they become far worse in this sinful society.

[Registered]

Flailing arms? Please don't.