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Hijacker Crashed Flight 93 on 9/11
AP via Yahoo! ^ | 8/7/03 | TED BRIDIS, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 08/07/2003 4:22:34 PM PDT by dead

WASHINGTON - U.S. investigators now believe that a hijacker in the cockpit aboard United Airlines Flight 93 instructed terrorist-pilot Ziad Jarrah to crash the jetliner into a Pennsylvania field because of a passenger uprising in the cabin.

This theory, based on the government's analysis of cockpit recordings, discounts the popular perception of insurgent passengers grappling with terrorists to seize the plane's controls.

The government's findings — laid out deep within the report on the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that was sent to Congress last month — aim to resolve one of the enduring mysteries of the deadliest terror attacks in U.S. history: What happened in the final minutes aboard Flight 93?

The FBI strenuously maintains that its analysis does not diminish the heroism of passengers who — with the words "Let's roll" — apparently rushed down the airliner's narrow aisle to try to overtake the hijackers.

President Bush and Attorney General John Ashcroft have regularly praised the courage of those aboard Flight 93, some of whom told family members by telephone they were planning to storm the cockpit.

"While no one will ever know exactly what transpired in the final minutes of Flight 93, every shred of evidence indicates this plane crashed because of the heroic actions of the passengers," FBI spokeswoman Susan Whitson said Thursday.

Thirty-three passengers, seven crew members and the four hijackers died.

Citing transcripts of the still-secret cockpit recordings, FBI Director Robert Mueller told congressional investigators in a closed briefing last year that, minutes before Flight 93 hit the ground, one of the hijackers "advised Jarrah to crash the plane and end the passengers' attempt to retake the airplane."

Jarrah is thought to have been the terrorist-pilot because he was the only of the four hijackers aboard known to have a pilot's license.

Mueller's description was disclosed in a brief passage far into the 858-page report to Congress. Previous statements by FBI and other government officials have been ambiguous about what occurred in the cockpit.

Mueller's explanation was based on the FBI's efforts to decipher the cacophonous sounds on the cockpit recorder and produce a comprehensive transcript, said one official, speaking only on condition of anonymity.

The FBI is convinced it may never know for certain what transpired in those final moments, but Mueller represented the information as the FBI's leading theory, this official said.

The same cockpit recording was played privately in April 2002 for family members of victims aboard Flight 93, and the FBI also provided them with its best effort at producing an understandable transcript.

Some family members indicated afterward they were led to believe that passengers used a food cart as a shield and successfully broke into the cockpit.

The FBI has been loath to publicly put forward a contradictory theory out of sensitivity to the families and because of uncertainty about what happened.

People who have heard the recording describe it as nearly indecipherable, containing static noises, cockpit alarms and wind interspersed with cries in English and Arabic. Near the end of the tape, sounds can be heard of breaking glass and crashing dishes — lending credence to the theory that passengers used the food cart to rush the jetliner's narrow aisle.

Separately, the data recorder showed the plane's wings rocking violently as the jet flew too low and too fast for safe flight.

Intelligence officials believe the likely target for Flight 93 was the White House, based on information from Abu Zubaydah, a senior al-Qaida terrorist leader in U.S. custody who is believed to have played a key role in organizing the Sept. 11 attacks.

Prosecutors have sought a U.S. judge's permission to play recordings from Flight 93 during the terrorism trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the only defendant in a U.S. case prosecutors have directly tied to the attacks. Moussaoui is accused of conspiring with the hijackers.

The government has said it can link Moussaoui to Jarrah, using a telephone number found on a business card recovered at the Shanksville, Pa., crash site. Prosecutors believe the card belonged to Jarrah and that Moussaoui had called the same number.

Moussaoui has acknowledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida but says he was not involved in the attacks.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911; 911report; americanheroes; blessthemall; fbi; flight93; godblessthem; heroes; jarrah; letsroll; moussaoui; robertmueller; targets; whitehouse
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To: gridlock
The objective of the first WTC attack was to topple one tower into the other. So it is possible the 9/11 hijackers meant to make the towers topple over, too.
341 posted on 08/08/2003 7:31:02 AM PDT by eno_
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To: HitmanNY
The last audible words recorded from the cockpit was an "inexplicably calm voice in English instructing, 'Pull it up.'".

That pretty much confirms "lets roll"
342 posted on 08/08/2003 7:33:54 AM PDT by Dead Dog (There are no minority rights in a democracy. 51% get's 49%'s stuff.)
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To: eno_
So it is possible the 9/11 hijackers meant to make the towers topple over, too.

Towers just don't fall like trees. These towers were designed to support loads from above, and that's all. How in the world would they have enough lateral strength to support the loading necessary to impart rotational momentum on that big a mass?

Once those towers started falling they were going to take the shortest path toward the center of the earth, straight down. This was a very sophisticated attack, and the attackers would have to know this. It's not rocket science!

343 posted on 08/08/2003 7:50:04 AM PDT by gridlock (Remember: PC Kills.)
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To: dead
http://www.msnbc.com/news/787018.asp?pne=msn

MSNBC article that says the government theory was that passengers took the cockpit and were trying to fly the plane.


“In the final moments of this struggle, according to the families who heard the tape, voices that seemed muffled and distant all of a sudden became clearer,” says Longman. “They took that as some corroboration that the passengers actually are in — perhaps crew — actually did reach the cockpit.”
Does he mean, reach it? Breach it?
“Get inside,” says Longman.
They got in?
“Yes,” says Longman. “That’s the government theory, that they actually got inside. Near the end you hear — in English — words, ‘roll it up,’ and ‘lift it up,’ or ‘turn it up,’ or ‘pull it up.’ The families have taken that as a sign that they were — the passengers and perhaps crew — were trying to take control of the plane.”
344 posted on 08/08/2003 7:52:17 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow
This raises an interesting question, how many non pilot freepers would know which direction to pull the yoke to recover from a dive? How roll control works? Rudder Peddles? Trust levers?
345 posted on 08/08/2003 8:01:06 AM PDT by Dead Dog (There are no minority rights in a democracy. 51% get's 49%'s stuff.)
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To: Dead Dog
Most eyewitness reports state that the plane crashed upside down. This could be the result of having no clue how to fly, or the result of a hijacker pilot inverting the plane to hinder interference from the passengers. If you are not strapped in and the plane goes upside down...
346 posted on 08/08/2003 8:08:51 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: DBrow
It was also close to vertical wasn't it?
347 posted on 08/08/2003 8:14:25 AM PDT by Dead Dog (There are no minority rights in a democracy. 51% get's 49%'s stuff.)
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To: cyncooper
This is all a distinction without a difference. So the passengers rushed the cockpit, as we always knew, but the terrorists flew it into the ground before they could get in the cockpit.

I can't for the life of me figure out why it is any less heroic. The point is that the passengers gave their lives to thwart the mission. Whether or not they actually breached the cockpit door before they died is a technicality of interest only to those DESPERATELY LOOKING FOR SYMBOLIC TOOLS TO DESTROY ANY AND ALL HEROES.

348 posted on 08/08/2003 8:26:38 AM PDT by Taliesan
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To: dead
"Hoglan said the hijackers inside the cockpit are heard yelling "No!" at the sound of breaking glass — presumably from the food cart — and that the final spoken words on the recorder seemed to be an inexplicably calm voice in English instructing, "Pull it up."

That's from the current Yahoo at the moment:

My guess is the passengers did break into the cockpit and one dude was one cool character.

349 posted on 08/08/2003 8:47:06 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: gridlock
I wrote:

"The planes that the the World Trade Center could have cause more mayhem if they had hit lower, but we can't know the pilot's intention."

Gridlock replied:

"This has got to be the stupidest thing I have seen all year. Against some pretty stiff competition, BTW. How in the world do you cause more mayhem than the complete destruction of two 110 story skyscrapers by hitting them lower? They don't topple like trees, you know...

If the towers had been hit lower, I guess they might have collapsed somewhat faster. But they still would have fallen straight down."

I reply again:

Aw, come on. The guys at DU write stupider stuff than mine 100 times each day. But anyway, if the planes hit lower, a lot more people would have died. I should have said "casualties" rather than mayhem. True, the mayhem factor would be about the same.


350 posted on 08/08/2003 8:49:41 AM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: Our man in washington
Aw, come on. The guys at DU write stupider stuff than mine 100 times each day.

True. That's why I generally avoid the guys at DU!

However, I think we can agree that the hijackers succeeded in their attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.

Peace, Dude!

351 posted on 08/08/2003 8:55:35 AM PDT by gridlock (Remember: PC Kills.)
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To: cinFLA
How? [does sentence 2 contradict sentence 1]

The first sentence says the hijacker crashed the plane because of a passenger uprising. The second sentence suggests that this discounts the popular perception of passengers struggling to seize the controls. This, to me, is a distinction without a difference. Whether or not the passenger uprising had reached the cockpit is irrelevant to the fact that the plane crashed directly as a result of their actions. Clearly, if the passengers had remained passive, the plane would have been flown into the White House. I think this article's account is an attempt to undermine the inspiration the entire country took from the passengers' heroism. And all based on the irrelevant factoid that their uprising apparently hadn't reached the cockpit yet when the hijackers realized they'd lost control of the plane. Big friggin deal.

352 posted on 08/08/2003 9:17:08 AM PDT by WarrenC
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To: WarrenC
I think this article's account is an attempt to undermine the inspiration the entire country took from the passengers' heroism. And all based on the irrelevant factoid that their uprising apparently hadn't reached the cockpit yet when the hijackers realized they'd lost control of the plane. Big friggin deal.

If it is the truth, would you rather it be kept secret?

353 posted on 08/08/2003 9:48:57 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: Taliesan
"I can't for the life of me figure out why it is any less heroic. "

Look at this another way- why is the media and who knows who else, spending so much effort to make the point that these heroes are not heroes? Why bring it up? Why now?

I agree with your comment about heroes- there is definitely an organized effort to eliminate heroes, Western cultural heroes. Anyone who is seen as good or righteous is to be denigrated. Martha Stewart was hated by some long before her current problems.

But if someone is deeply flawed, they seem to become heroes- BJC, NBA, NFL, gangsta rappers and so forth.
354 posted on 08/08/2003 10:29:21 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: gridlock
How in the world do you cause more mayhem than the complete destruction of two 110 story skyscrapers by hitting them lower?

In one of the buildings, nobody above the point of impact managed to escape. Those were the people jumping.

Obviously, if the point of impact were lower, more people would have died.

355 posted on 08/08/2003 10:33:20 AM PDT by dead (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!)
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To: dead
http://html.thepittsburghchannel.com/pit/news/stories/news-96633920010919-140933.html

News report featuring a small plane pilot three miles from Flt 93 just before the crash.
356 posted on 08/08/2003 10:40:44 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: dead
And this is relevant to this story.... how?!?
357 posted on 08/08/2003 10:55:08 AM PDT by gridlock (Remember: PC Kills.)
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To: gridlock
I was wondering the same thing when you made the dopey statement.
358 posted on 08/08/2003 10:58:24 AM PDT by dead (Perdicaris alive or Raisuli dead!)
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To: dead
Hey, if making dopey statements was against the law, we'd all be thrown in jail for a thousand years.
359 posted on 08/08/2003 11:06:08 AM PDT by gridlock (Remember: PC Kills.)
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To: facedown
The hijacker's mission was to fly the plane into some building. They couldn't have cared less what the passangers were doing as long as they, the hijackers, had control of the plane. They would have continued on their mission.

I respectfully disagree. I think it's much more plausible that the terrorists, being inherent cowards, were in turn completely terrified that they were losing control of the situation. They would rather face a disgusted allah in their afterlife and explain to it why they failed rather than have to deal with a mob of vengeful passengers. Remember allah’s finest had just slashed the throat of a stewardess or two. Once the passengers turned against them and knew they had NOTHING TO LOSE, the terrorists would have even eaten pork out of a jew’s bottom rather then face their wrath.

360 posted on 08/08/2003 11:07:58 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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