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To: DittoJed2
just as calculus states that dynamical systems can be explained by a particular kind of mathematical equations. By showing how x changes with time, does calculus try to get rid of God, in saying that x does not change simply according to His will, but according to a set of mathematical laws? By doing medical research, do we try to get rid of God in curing the sick? You are comparing apples with oranges. Scripture makes distinct truth claims for itself. In postulating that these things did not occur the way Scripture says they occurred, Evolution is setting itself up over Scripture.

Yes, but what about astronomy? Most of today's creationists have given up the game before they even started, but there are some creationists who are able to see the Big Picture:

Once Satan's counterfeit of God's Truth of an earth-centered geocentric universe gained control of "higher" education, the way was clear to foist his evolutionary counterfeit into the corridors of academia with very little opposition! The real spade work had already been done!

Copernicans Voltaire and Erasmus Darwin (Charles' grandfather) were developing "ape-man" theories in the 1700's. ... Is there anyone anywhere who will not give 100 to 1 odds that the earliest proselytizers of evolutionism were not avowed Copernicans, having just received that great quantum leap in "wisdom" from their grandfathers?? I can find none.

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Thus, secure from any credible attack on their Copernican "science" front, the new Darwinian "science" offensive could then link hands with the "established scientific truth" of a rotating, orbiting Earth and forge boldly ahead toward the goal of pushing the Bible completely off stage as a repository of Truth.

In all this, as many of you know, Ernst Haeckel was a powerful force early in the establishment of Darwinism. This biological note about Herr Haeckel succinctly tells what happened and why it happened: "Ernst Haeckel wedded the idea of classical physics [Copernicanism] with the new Darwinian history of nature to form a comprehensive materialist cosmology, or `anti-theology'..."14 (More on Haeckel HERE.)

This "comprehensive materialist cosmology" is what Creationists today are up against and, excepting a handful, they do not know it! Evolutionism does NOT stand alone as a Bible-wrecking, contra-scientific deception, Satanically conceived. Oh no! Evolutionism is historically, philosophically, scientifically, and spiritually WEDDED TO a previously conceived Bible-wrecking, contra-scientific deception called Copernicanism! The Creation "movement" today denies or ignores this wedded union and thus is not 1/50th the threat to Satan's kingdoms in this world that it can and should be.

Fellow Creationists: It's wake-up time!!

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While knowledgeable Creationists have known about the Communist-Socialist-Humanist dependency upon evolutionism, they have not generally known or thought about the Copernican connection to the same "isms". It is now time to understand this connection! It is now time to understand how Copernicanism PAVED THE WAY for the acceptance of Darwinism, and how Darwinism, in turn supplied the basis for conquest of the Social and Behavioral "sciences" (and the Arts, Mathematics, and Religion). It is time to understand that Communism and Humanism are equally dependent upon that other foundational "scientific" principle that goes hand in glove with evolutionism. That pre-evolutionary principle was and is Bible-bashing Copernicanism....

Does someone say they aren't convinced that the very heartbeat of Communist and Humanist ideology is the anti-Bible moving earth concept we call Copernicanism??

Let such a one lend an ear to what a gathering of Communist scientists in London in 1931 were saying. They knew that their system absolutely depended on a conviction that nothing in the universe can be motionless. (If anything could be motionless, then the earth could be as the Bible says, and the game would be over!)

See? Copernicanism had already "fertilized the ground" for both Darwinism & Communism 300 years earlier!

60 posted on 08/26/2003 3:20:53 PM PDT by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: DittoJed2
BTW, I appreciate your more nuanced statements on this thread regarding Darwinism's connection to Communism & Naziism. They're much more reasonable than most of what I've read from creationists - including your own words on the Indian Dinosaur thread!

The problem is, it's obvious that Hitler & Marx were latching on to whatever widely-accepted beliefs (both religious beliefs & scientific theories) they could find to lend an air of legitimacy to their psuedoscientific views. There is no way you can blame legitimate science - or most established religions - when they get mininterpreted or intentionally twisted to serve a charlatan's purposes.

If Darwin & Wallace had never existed, Marx could easily have come up with a rationalization for the inevitable march of history via some sort of "dialecticial materialist calculus". After all, Dialectical materialism asserts a predictability to historical progress which is well-suited to sketching out as a function thru time. If I hadn't blocked out my horrid college calculus classes from my memory, I could probably come up with some plausible-sounding equations to "explain" this inevitable dialectical March of History.

All Marx & Hitler needed was some plausible sounding rhetoric to inspire the readers of their Magnum Opuses. Once they took control of the universities, they didn't need to justify themselves intellectually, as all the books with critical arguments would've been burned and the skeptical professors would be in jail or assassinated.

61 posted on 08/26/2003 3:33:24 PM PDT by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: jennyp
Thanks to evolution ...

it looks like the federal judiciary system from the ussc on down is doing power sharing and pandering with liberals ---


prosyletizing on the fr too !
62 posted on 08/26/2003 3:33:56 PM PDT by f.Christian (evolution vs intelligent design ... science3000 ... designeduniverse.com --- * architecture * !)
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To: jennyp
Fixed & Unmovable Placemarker
63 posted on 08/26/2003 3:39:45 PM PDT by BMCDA
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To: jennyp
jennyp,

On the other thread (which I really would prefer not to refer to since I stated I didn't want to discuss that thread) I started talking about astronomy and the evolutionist crowd chastised me and said that "big bang" and "astronomy" were different disciplines (which they implied they weren't really all that interested in discussing). There are links I could post from creationists discounting big bang. But, I'd be accused of "spamming the thread".

Regarding your posting, I do not see a heliocentric view of the universe contradicts Scripture. My reasons were stated on the other thread. I know some creationists (a real minority) want to argue for geocentrism. Frankly, I don't care what is at the center as long as God created it. He could have created it close together or far apart. That's up to him. Scientists have then taken the speed of light and turned speed into distance (the distance it would take light to travel to X planet, etc.,) when in reality, they are making a lot of assumptions there. Who says that God had to create everything so that it was close together? That doesn't even make sense. And, there is no basis for saying that the universe is billions of years old. Oh, yeah. We tested some meteorites by radiometric dating methods (nevermind that the same meteorites can test to be different ages based upon the test used). I forgot.

Regarding your link, I'll let this guy defend his own work. What he said isn't what I've claimed. As a matter of fact, historically, I have stated I see communism and Darwinism as having come out of the age of the skeptics (from Descartes, to David Hume, to Emmanuel Kant).
65 posted on 08/26/2003 4:02:34 PM PDT by DittoJed2 (Romans 1:20)
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