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Aric,

The one thing I have noticed with these evo threads is an absolute and complete INTOLERANCE for anyone who agrees with the Bible. I mean, what I am witnessing is really ideological bullying to the point that when I'm having a conversation with someone that provides historical documentation to back up what I am saying (and correct the misrepresentations by others of what I was saying on a previous thread)the "gang" absolutely can not tolerate it being said and will burst upon the scene with your usual litany of name calling and belittling. What I'm seeing from you and several in your group (not all, a few have been fairly respectful- very few) is a pattern I've only seen with the leftists. Personally attack someone as stupid, a fanatic, and unreasonable just because they said something that hurts your point of view. Belittle anything they post or worse take the hours spent looking into and reading those posts and pretend like no research was done, no scientist on the other side is credible, they are all just cranks, jokes, and idiots. It's very immature of your group to be acting this way. However,even if you intimidate jenny from not posting to me any more, you aren't going to silence me. What I posted was the truth. It was carefully measured and backed up with actual historical data.

So, the next time you hurl insults without substance as you do so often, it would behoove you to first open your eyes really really wide and look around. If you do so, you just may see that the image- the one you are seeing of a one who is coming off VERY loud, VERY hard headed, and appearing as just another fanatic who is clueless because his fanaticism blinds him to all other possibilities- that image is the one of your own reflection in the mirror.

/rantmodeon

Oh PUHLEASE, give it a rest.

If evolution was SCIENTIFICALLY disproved tomorrow, it would NOT effect me in the least. It is a scientific theory, NOTHING more.

But if god came out of the sky and told you that the creation story was allegorical and not meant to be taken literally, you would ignore him and keep going on with your fanatical belief structure.

No matter what facts, evidence etc were shown to you, you would fight them if they somehow disagreed with your literal interpretation of the bible.

Creationism IS the answer for you, and you will fight ANYTHING that disagrees with it.

Tell me that that is NOT the truth, go ahead, tell me that I am clueless. Tell me that if I gave you all the evidence necassary to DISPROVE creationism, that you would NOT ignore it and fight me with EVERY ounce of your being.

Go ahead, tell me that that is NOT the case.

So far, ALL of the socalled "evidence" that you have given has been refuted in one way shape or form by science.

ID theory, creationism, the flood, etc, HAVE NO EVIDENCE to back them up.

ID is Behe's idea because he is arrogant enough to think if he can't figure it out, then it MUST be irreducibly complex, Guess what? BS...

Creationism, the only proof you have is written in a book that was put together by a group of men with an agenda.

Yes, it is an ancient story, But I can give you literally THOUSANDS of creation stories, but since this one is in your bible, it MUST have occurred, oh PUHLEASE....

And the flood, there are SO many flood stories that it is ridiculous, but because this one is in the bible it MUST be the truth, again, OH PUHLEASE!!! There are so many flood stories, and fact of the matter is that the Noah flood story is obvioulsy a takeoff of a very ancient Babylonian flood myth. There is PROOF that a flood of MAJOR proportions occurred within the black sea area around 10,000 years ago, and that is about the right time for the babylonian myth, and therefore probably is the flood of Noah. So it probably was an actual event, but not a WORLDWIDE flood, but the area that the people of that time considered their entire world.

Science is science, it does NOT claim ANY moralistic lessons, it just states the evidence as it sees them, then puts that evidence together and comes up with a hypothesis to fit that evidence, then that hypothesis is torn apart, piece by piece and tested beyond belief, then if it passes those tests, then it is considered a scientific theory.

Evolution has PASSED all peer review put against it, it has passed muster in ways that would tear anything less firm into little tiny pieces. Yet you and your kin ignore it and say that it is religion, so that you can ignore the scientific evidence that backs it up.

So far, I have yet to see ONE piece of Creation science peer reviewed, I have yet to see ID actually agree to be peer reviewed, but when a scientist actually chooses to peer review it on his or her own, they are able to tear it into tiny, itsy bitsy pieces.

Yes, I find your fanaticism sad, and I am sorry, but I am intolerant of such ridiculous closemindedness.

Alamo Girl does NOT fight the science, she realizes what science is, and tries to fit it into her worldview, and has done a pretty damn convincing job of it too.

You, you just go to AIG, fling their arguments at us as fast as you can and then expect us to lay down under the onslaught.

Sorry, ain't gonna happen.

Then you go screaming off into the night about how unfair we have treated you.

That's after of course you bring in the strawman about how nazism somehow came about because of evolution and Darwin, or was at least a piece of the puzzle that created it. Guess what? Hitler was a Roman Catholic, BORN and raised, the church was a MAJOR influence on his beliefs and the political structure that he laid down. Do we attack you because he was a christian and used it to build his political system, NO, or at least not until you decide to blame a SCIENTIFIC theory for his ideas. A fricking scientific theory, give me a break. A scientific theory does not claim to give you a code of ethics to live by, good grief. What kind of ridiculously stupid argument is that? Hint, VERY stupid!!

Last but not least.

Intolerance? Yes, I am intolerant of rabid fanaticism in ANY form. I am intolerant of WILLFUL ignorance in ANY form. I am INTOLERANT of closemindedness because of religious belief in ANY form. I am INTOLERANT of lies for religious purposes in ANY form.

I am intolerant? I am not even close compared to you.

No one is a true christian unless they believe in the total inerrancy and literalist interpretation of the bible.

You believe that, therefore you are a true christian and ONLY others that believe as you do will be tolerated.

I am just intolerant of the above, you are intolerant of about 99% of the human race.

/rantmodeoff

Last post to you for right now, I am about worn out and I am going to try and go out and kill some fish tomorrow. So I am going to bed.

Good night, have a wonderful evening....

The one thing I have noticed with these evo threads is an absolute and complete INTOLERANCE for anyone who agrees with the Bible.

No, sweetie. I agree with the Bible. However, what we do disagree with is an interpretation of Scripture that flies in the face of physical evidence. For instance, you claimed the verses used against Galileo at his trial were "poetic" in nature because the physical evidence overwhelms any claims to geocentrism. However, at the time those verses were taken literally and formed the basis of the prosecution of Galileo. We see a literal reading of Genesis the same way; it flies in the face of the physical evidence and should be read "poetically," or allegorically. This does not make those chapters any less "true" (I can make a strong claim that the Flood story is an allegory of salvation, and a very strong one at that -- is it true in the literal sense? No. Is it true in the spiritual sense? You betcha).

I know you believe you are fighting a rear-guard action for the Truth. Unfortunately, your version of the Truth does not stand up to scrutiny and many people see this. Some, like me, gladly accept the allegorical nature of Genesis and continue on in our faith of the Almighty with little or no soul-searching. Others, seeing the hypocritical nature of those espousing a literalist interpretation refuse to be associated with such, for want of a better word, ignorance, and either give up on religion altogether or join some New Age pseudo religion. In other words, your irrational clinging to a specific, literal interpretation of Genesis does not bring people to God and turns off the more rational among potential believers. You are doing more harm to God's cause than good, though I know you believe otherwise.