Evangelicals poised to take over the Church

The Telegraph ^ | August 25, 2003 | Jonathan Petre

[PFKEY]

But there was never any consciousness of these being multiple, separate "churches". None of the epistles are ever addressed to "churches" within a single city, but rather to either "the church in (city)" or "the churches in (geographic region or province)"

I'm not sure I'm following you.

1Cor.1
[2] Unto the church of God which is at Corinth

2Thes.1
[1] Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians

Acts.11
[22] Then tidings of these things came unto the ears of the church which was in Jerusalem

Does the use of the word church in these passages indicate that there were many churches in Corinth, Thessalonia and Jerusalem?

Acts.9
[31] Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria

Acts.15
[41] And he went through Syria and Cilicia, confirming the churches.

1Cor.16
[1] Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia

Does the use of the word churches in these passages mean there were many churches in Judea, Galilee, Samaria, Syria, Cilicia and Galatia?

[PFKEY]

Very well said. We seem to be in agreement.

I think you might have addressed this issue better than I did.

Thanks for your insight.

[Stefan Stackhouse]

I'm not sure I'm following you.

1Cor.1; 2Thes.1; Acts.11;

Does the use of the word church in these passages indicate that there were many churches in Corinth, Thessalonia and Jerusalem?

No, the plain sense is that in each of these cities there was a church (i.e., one). Multiple small gatherings were known to have happened at least in Jerusalem, but even then, Jerusalem was considered to have only one church.

Acts.9; Acts.15; 1Cor.16;

Does the use of the word churches in these passages mean there were many churches in Judea, Galilee, Samaria, Syria, Cilicia and Galatia?

Yes, because Judea, Galilee, Samaria, etc. are all geographic regions or provinces with multiple cities, towns, or settlements, many of which each had its own church.

[r9etb]

"Take over"? How about "remnant"?

Probably correct. But that remnant may be the core of something that grows larger. Sort of a "wheat from the tares" type of thing....

[r9etb]

Do you have any indication if the conservative opponents in the Anglican movement who are resisting the retreat from orthodoxy are closer to the old calvinist wing of anglicanism?

I'm Roman Catholic; would Episcopalian freepers please let me know if I'm on the right track?

I think your word "orthodox" is probably about right. You can get a good idea of the theological approach from the Anglican Articles of Religion.

There's a lot of room for variance within those Articles, and probably there are "orthodox" Anglicans who span the gamut of possibilities.

I don't think there's any particularly Calvinist approach here -- indeed, some of the election and pre-destination aspects of Calvinism seem to be explicitly rejected (See Article XVII).

The orthodox view of human nature may be the stuff that binds us "orthodox Anglicans" together -- it's not too different from what Paul says in Romans 5....

[lepton]

My point was, that "taking over" wasn't an influx, nor was it illegitimate. The conservative remnant is what remains to preserve the church.

[ppaul]

HRH Prince Charles was photographed some time
ago at the Grand Opening of a new Ahl as-Sunna
masjid in London. Here accompanied by two shaikhs
wearing traditional Sunni turbans he waters a newly
planted-tree symbolizing the spread of Islam in England.

[AnAmericanMother]

Oh, great. And he's in line to be head of the Church of England and "Defender of the Faith."

[r9etb]

Then we agree. ;-)

[RnMomof7]

That is very scary. England is a post Christian country that is very occult.

You know Paul we see all the signs . Slowly Christianity is being marginalized , the spiritual vacuum that will be left will be filled by the deceiver and liar

[RnMomof7]

"Every church of Christ is a self-governing body, free to carry on its own affairs and work under Christ and the apostles. This power of self-government is carried out through elders (who are also called "bishops" and "pastors") in every church. Note that it is not a plurality of churches under one bishop, but rather, a plurality of bishops in every church!" ~ PFKEY

When PFKEY speaks of the Church of Christ he does not mean your church or mine. He means His denomination the "Church of Christ " as being the only one that saves

One of the things that is becoming more self evident to me is we all use similar language but we mean different things

[utahagen]

Thanks for the informative response.

Keep the faith.

[Matchett-PI]

"When PFKEY speaks of the Church of Christ he does not mean your church or mine. He means His denomination the "Church of Christ " as being the only one that saves."

Oh, THAT church, huh! Tricky, tricky.

At What Price Success?: The Boston (Church of Christ) Movement, by James Bjornstad

[RnMomof7]

Good link thank you

I just told P that the church I used to go to belonged to a Christian flag football league

The CoC was one of the "churches" They were very "evangelical" The older members came to the games and took men aside to invite them to their church .