Roy's Rock (Note: Ten Commandments - Liberal ACLU Hugger)

MSNBC.Com / Newsweek ^ | 8/22/2003 | Eleanor Clift

[Bobby777]

Alabama residents are wreaking a nasty revenge on the woman who took their state’s chief justice to court over his religious monument

Aug. 22 — By stubbornly refusing a federal court order to remove the Ten Commandments monument in his courthouse, Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore has been hailed by Christian fundamentalists as a man of great courage. Lesser known, but no less courageous is the woman who dared stand up to Justice Moore.

FOR HIS DEFIANCE, Moore has become a home-state hero, paving the way for a future run for a U.S. Senate seat. For her brave stand, Melinda Maddox has been run out of town. “He’s the most popular man in Alabama, and I am the least popular woman,” says Maddox, a plaintiff in the lawsuit that declared Moore’s monument unconstitutional and called it “nothing less than an obtrusive year-round religious display.”

[Bobby777]

well there were some that tried to use the Bible to justify true slavery in America ... we have to admit that ... but the Golden Rule of the New Testament would seem to clearly preclude that ...

[Paul Atreides]

and called it “nothing less than an obtrusive year-round religious display.”

Oh, really? Is it the size of a football stadium?

[Bobby777]

agreed ... it was hardly "obtrusive" ... except to a liberal ACLU lawyer ... who saw a way to make a name for herself ...

[Cold Heat]

Man has used religion to justify every type of human failure.

Perhaps that is why I claim no religion. This fact has upset me, as I know it has upset God.

Even jesus warned against the mis-use of Gods house.(paraphrased)

It is a fact, and you are right that it cannot be denied, but the Commandments came from God. Even the sabbath commandment makes sense today.

One needs time to reflect. Especially those who have no church affiliations.

We still honor it in many ways in the south. (except wallmart)

[thegreatbeast]

One question: How many artists and how many years were spent making Eleanor's picture look like that? That is not the monster I so often see.

And don't I feel bad for the poor put upon ACLU lawyer? Oh yeah, sure. Real bad.
Another leftie who wishes to be exempt from consequences for their beliefs.
Her and Clift's opinion of everyone else: “Idiocy abounds,” says Maddox.

[Bobby777]

I have great commentary on the Old Testament ... got it back in the late 1980's ... it was a great read ... gotta find it somewhere ... on the rules and laws God and similar stuff the author had a great title ... "Advice From the Manufacturer" ... 8)

[Cold Heat]

One on the reasons that Islam is caught in the dark ages is because they do not have a New Koran.

[Bobby777]

agreed ... Clift doesn't know what she's talking about ...

And don't I feel bad for the poor put upon ACLU lawyer? Oh yeah, sure. Real bad.

LOL ... well, nobody "forced" her to attack the 10 Commandments ... well, wait a minute ... hmmm ...

the imam's of Saudi Arabia love useful idiots like Maddox ... helps them in their agenda to infiltrate the USA ...

[TheCrusader]

"Lesser known, but no less courageous is the woman who dared stand up to Justice Moore."

Odd, what certain people mistake for 'courage' these days. Courage is the faith that people find in the face of grave opposition to help them face the dire circumstance. Justice Moore found a big dose of courage to place the Ten Commandments in his Court House lobby, knowing that he would eventually be opposed by powers greater than himself.

Coversely, attacking the Ten Commandments in an age when all expression of religion has already been kicked out of the public domain doesn't take courage, it just takes a morally bankrupt troublemaker who wants to make a name for themselves among the liberals, socialists, atheists and feminists.

I think it's fair to say that the public schools that teach the theory of evolution to Christian children without regard to their religious beliefs more actively and greviously encroach on the rights of Christian children than do the Ten Commandments, sitting silently in a courthouse lobby, encroach on any so-called 'separation of Church and State' policies.

If those who oppose all expression of religion in public places were to find an honest moment in their miserable, bedeviled little lives, they'd have to admit to their underlying hatred for religion, God, and those who try to follow Him. It's really not a poltical battle at all, it's a spiritual one.

[Bobby777]

you know, given that it birthed, what, about 632 A.D.? seems to me to be a very clear rejection of the teachings of Christ in the New Testament some 600 years later ... and of course, the Qur'an goes to great lengths to deny the Deity of Christ or His Messiahship ...

something the New Testament goes to great lengths to prove ...

hmmmm .... makes John 3:17-18 come to mind ...

[Bobby777]

Odd, what certain people mistake for 'courage' these days. Courage is the faith that people find in the face of grave opposition to help them face the dire circumstance. Justice Moore found a big dose of courage to place the Ten Commandments in his Court House lobby, knowing that he would eventually be opposed by powers greater than himself.

Coversely, attacking the Ten Commandments in an age when all expression of religion has already been kicked out of the public domain doesn't take courage, it just takes a morally bankrupt troublemaker who wants to make a name for themselves among the liberals, socialists, atheists and feminists.

looks like a "quote of the day" to me!!! (applause)

[thinktwice]

are you saying you support the removal of the Ten Commandments from that building? ...

No, but I'd suggest that people include the pro-slavery words whenever they display the Ten Commandments.

It's in the last of the commandments, too ...

You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male or female slaves, not his ox or ass, nor anything else that belongs to him.

That last part pretty well indicates that the question over the hebrew translation for the words servant and slave is answered -- by the word "belongs."

[Bobby777]

I don't have a problem with the full quote either ...

but I'd promote a different version like the KJV, NKJV, KJV21 or NASB ...

8)

[CapandBall]

Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

[Cold Heat]

Interesting choice of words on judging.

However, when at war with evil, one cannot refrain from calling a spade a spade. It is because not all things are left to God.

If the master is Satan, the servant must be judged to be so.

by wirestripper.

[Cold Heat]

God does not condone slavery bub.

The parsing of words is what is bringing this constitutional argument to the front burner.

They screwed with the first amend, to the point that a inferred separation of church and state and inferred freedom "from" religion resulted in their cosmopolitan minds.

The word belong only indicates possession, it does not say what kind.

I own a company, It belongs to be, the company is made up of people, does that mean they are my slaves?

sheesh! Get a grip and a new copy of the bible. I have seen many versions and slave is not in any of them. Sounds like some PC thinking to me. Besides, slavery is really not the issue here. The rock does not have those words.

[CapandBall]

The choice was mine, but not the words.

Romans 14

Tear that chapter out of your bible Wirestripper, no one will mind.

[Cold Heat]

I have several bibles, a Quoran and numerous other reference material.

None of it will keep me from judgment of things that I find to be of potential damage to me, mine, and the future of my offspring.

I have that right and that responsibility.

That is that.

[CapandBall]

Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves.

[Cold Heat]

Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves.

I would say he is either lucky or right.