"Sexually Inclusive Christians" Celebrate Victories, Push for More

Institute on Religion and Democracy ^ | Mark Tooley

[nobdysfool]

Good,..'Whosoever' takes the logical form of a universal statement, not an existential qualifier. For any x such that: believeth, forms that set. It's not, the existential qualification: There exists an x such that believeth, forming the set.

Whether or not the set that believes exists or not does not change the nature of the statement. It's still a conditional statement. In order for "whosoever" to obtain eternal life and avoid perishing, they must believe in The Son of God. This statement doesn't address who "whosoever" is, other than to make it open to anyone who believes. But the believing is the condition. One cannot avoid perishing and obtain Eternal life UNLESS one believes in the Son of God. That is an airtight condition.

Whether or not "whosoever"is all men or just a select set of men is not addressed, either positively or negatively in this statement. It neither establishes nor denies either Calvinist or Arminian doctrines with regard to Unconditional or Conditional Election, Limited or Unlimited Atonement. This passage, these two verses you quoted do not speak to those issues at all, and cannot be made to, either way.

These verses state a simple conditional statement. The question as to how belief arises or is applied is not addressed here. Belief is assumed, and made the condition which allows "whosoever" to obtain that which is promised.

[nobdysfool]

Nice try dragging me into the debate, too. ;)

You have the free will to not participate...:o)

[xzins]

good post

[xzins]

Thanks for the rant. It demonstrates the difficulty of any balance.

Arnold Schwarzeneggar flunks the test.

I find the choice in CA to be intriguing. Vote for a bad guy who is a baby killer. Vote for OUR "star" who is a baby killer. Or vote for OUR loser who is a baby saver and theonomically sound in other areas.

Conservatives are told to ignore McClintock in favor of Arnold. Many of them are going that route. To date, I've not heard a single conservative principle espoused by Arnie.

[Aracelis]

What is it about the word, "No", that these people just don't get???

[xzins]

It's got too many syllables, I guess. :>)

[Jerry_M]

"We have all learned to challenge Romans," said the Rev. Mari Castellanos, referring to St. Paul's letter that, among other Scriptures, is critical of homosexual behavior. Castellanos leads the Justice and Witness Ministries of the United Church of Christ. "We must do likewise with all texts that go against our brothers and sisters that are being claimed as the unerring Word of God."

Reminds me of the story of the little old lady who decided that she would cut out any section of her Bible that made her "uncomfortable".

When she was finished, all that was left was two covers, a flyleaf, and a set of maps.

I guess that these folks don't realize that God's laws concerning human sexuality aren't negotiable.

[xzins]

The folks are demonic.

Good to hear from you Jerry. How have you been?

[Jerry_M]

I have been much too busy, of late, to post here or elsewhere.

Ain't life fun?

Of course, if I had't checked in this morning, I wouldn't have known to pray for Scott's surgery of this date.

[xzins]

I don't keep up with first names. Who is Scott?

[PBRSTREETGANG]

I am a strong ally of those in healthy, polyamorous relationships,” declared Debra Kolodny. She argued that having multiple sexual partners can be “holy.”

Perhaps she meant "holey".

[xzins]

The "e" makes all the difference, doesn't it? :>)

[Jean Chauvin]

"I wouldn't have known to pray for Scott's surgery of this date."

I "ooped".

Surgery is tomorrow.

I think, though, that the prayers still will be valid!

Thanks!

Jean

[A. Patriot]

Isaiah 5
20 Woe to those who call evil good
and good evil,
who put darkness for light
and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
and sweet for bitter.

[xzins]

Excellent, applicable scripture.

[RnMomof7]

I don't keep up with first names. Who is Scott?

I was wondering the who Scott was to ???

[xzins]

See #313. A relative of Jean Chauvin's.

[RnMomof7]

 I asked you..How does a dead man take the medicine that will cure him? So you do not mean REALLY DEAD just sorta dead I assume??

I do not see this as responsive ,

BTW You NEVER want to quote Ephesians to A Calvinist.

  Eph 1:1   Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:     

Eph 1:2   Grace [be] to you, and peace, from God our Father, and [from] the Lord Jesus Christ.

     Eph 1:3   Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:   

  Eph 1:4   According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:   

  Eph 1:5   Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,     

Eph 1:6   To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.     

Eph 1:7   In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;   

  Eph 1:8   Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;   

  Eph 1:9   Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:   

  Eph 1:10   That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:

     Eph 1:11   In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

     Eph 1:12   That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.     

Eph 1:13   In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

If you notice here it is the word of God that God uses to bring the faith to believe .

Isa 49:8   Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;

This is a prophecy about Christ

From Matthew Henry

God will own and stand by him in his undertaking (v. 8): In an acceptable time have I heard thee, that is, I will hear thee. Christ, in the days of his flesh, offered up strong cries, and was heard, Heb. 5:7. He knew that the Father heard him always (Jn. 11:42), heard him for himself (for, though the cup might not pass from him, yet he was enabled to drink it), heard him for all that are his, and therefore he interceded for them as one having authority.

Father, I will, Jn. 17:24. All our happiness results from the Son’s interest in the Father and the prevalency of his intercession, that he always heard him; and this makes the gospel time an acceptable time, welcome to us, because we are accepted of God, both reconciled and recommended to him, that God hears the Redeemer for us, Heb. 7:25. Nor will he hear him only, but help him to go through with his undertaking. The Father was always with him at his right hand, and did not leave him when his disciples did. Violent attacks were made upon our Lord Jesus by the powers of darkness, when it was their hour, to drive him off from his undertakings, but God promises to preserve him and enable him to persevere in it; on that one stone were seven eyes, Zec. 3:9. God would preserve him, would preserve his interest, his kingdom among men, though fought against on all sides. Christ is preserved while Christianity is.

[MEGoody]

“sexually and gender inclusive Christians.”

In other words, people who have slapped on a name tag but never joined the organization.

[Spok]

Sexually Inclusive Christians, or SIC, for short.