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California Senate is Debating Drivers Licenses for Illegal Aliens NOW

Posted on 09/03/2003 11:04:49 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan

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To: smiley
The idea of carving another state out of California has been around since at least '41. Personally I'd rather see it split in 4, with the east/west split due to political differences and a north/south split due to economic differences.
41 posted on 09/03/2003 12:21:27 PM PDT by Tree of Liberty
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To: Tree of Liberty
Just make La area and SF area their own state and isolate the libs, then the rest of us can be heard.
42 posted on 09/03/2003 12:34:40 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe (recycling is a waste of time for hardworking taxpayers, hire the homeless to sort garbage)
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To: Political Junkie Too
Thanks for posting that map, I looked but couldn't find it. The Gore/Bush map is identical to the Davis/Simon map except for Ventura and Santa Barbara counties, who voted for Simon.
43 posted on 09/03/2003 12:35:55 PM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Free Miguel, Priscilla and Bill!)
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To: socal_parrot
I heard Sen. John Campbell on the radio yesterday, say the bill was ammended yesterday in the Assembley to assure its passage by the Senate. He said it would be on the Governor's desk by afternoon.

Democrats all over are beginning to feel the heat (fue to things like the recall). It's over for them, and as a result, they're cramming as much of their bad legislation in as they possibly can in their final days. Much like Clinton and his last days in office, all those Executive orders, all those pardons, etc.

44 posted on 09/03/2003 12:38:28 PM PDT by lowbridge (Texas Democrats. Saddam. On the lam together.)
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To: ElkGroveDan
There are 25 Dems, they only need 21 votes, my guess is that the 4 most vulnerable walk out on this vote.

The last set of Senate votes was 24-14. Two didn't vote (one from each party?). I think that was the version with the biometric data or whatever objectionable (to the illegal-alien-coddlers) section, although the democrats who complained about it still got in line to vote along their party-line. Yesterday's news said that the current version would easily pass in the state Senate today.

45 posted on 09/03/2003 12:45:19 PM PDT by heleny
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To: So Cal Rocket
I've seen that red/blue map so many times with the same error. Ventura County, between Santa Barbara and Los Angeles counties, went for Bush, not Gore. The county should be red.
46 posted on 09/03/2003 12:47:57 PM PDT by heleny
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To: ElkGroveDan
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47 posted on 09/03/2003 12:49:12 PM PDT by DoctorZIn
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To: So Cal Rocket
The Gore/Bush map is identical to the Davis/Simon map except for Ventura and Santa Barbara counties, who voted for Simon.

Ventura Co. went for Bush and Simon. The national map has the county colored incorrectly.

48 posted on 09/03/2003 12:50:32 PM PDT by heleny
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To: heleny
And one of the SF Bay area counties (with the skinny arm reaching Westward toward the Bay) went for Gore and Simon.
49 posted on 09/03/2003 12:52:29 PM PDT by heleny
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To: PsyOp
PsyOp posted on the CA page today, 09/03/2003 10:21 AM PDT (emphasis is mine):
It seems that we are in immenent danger of giving California Drivers licenses to illegal aliens without any safeguards. The bill passed the Assembly last night, looks to pass the senate today, and will be signed by Davis if it does.

I don't know what can be done to stop it, but I have an argument that might give Dems pause if it can be entered into the Senate floor debate before the vote.

The argument is simple. If this bill passes, allowing anyone to get a CADL without any checks, it will undermine all the gun control bills the Dems have worked so hard for. In other words, I could call and get a state tax ID # under a false name, use that to get a CADL under that name, and then go purchase a firearm. Since it is a bogus name and the thumb print can't be used as part of the background check, not even the Brady Bill will prevent me from getting a firearm--here or one state over.

If anyone has a direct line to any Republican State Senators, please present this argument to them for use. It's the only thing I can think of that might turn the vote around.

Thanks.

50 posted on 09/03/2003 12:56:17 PM PDT by heleny
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To: OXENinFLA
Has CA figured out how to keep the Illegals in CA (if this passes), or will the border jumpers just go on to neighboring states unimpeded?

Too late for that.

Immigrants Enter Country through 'Gateway' States Before Moving Inland, Census Bureau Says

8the 5.6 million foreign-born population who moved to the United States between 1995 and 2000 entered the country through six "gateway" states (California, New York, Texas, Florida, Illinois and New Jersey), an analysis of Census 2000 data shows.

At the same time, three of the gateway states New York, California and Illinois had considerable net out-migration of their foreign-born populations to other states between 1995 and 2000. New Jersey was the only gateway state to have net out-migration of natives but net in-migration of foreign-born people.

"One of the major findings of Census 2000 was the overall size of the foreign-born population and its presence in areas outside the traditional immigration gateways such as California, New York and Texas," said Census Bureau Director Louis Kincannon. "Like the Westward migration of immigrants in centuries past, their movements remind us that opportunities abound throughout our country." Among the biggest beneficiaries of secondary migration, i.e., foreign-born migrants from other states, were North Carolina (76,000) and Nevada (73,000). Nevada had more foreign-born migrants from other states than it did from abroad.

The new Census Bureau report, Migration of Natives and the Foreign Born: 1995 to 2000, examined Census 2000 data to compare migration patterns for natives (people born in the United States) with people born abroad. Among the report's findings:

-- Domestic migration patterns of foreign-born and native migrants were similar, with common destinations. -- Between 1995 and 2000, California's net out-migration rate to other states for its foreign-born people (30.4 people lost per 1,000 foreign-born residents in 1995) was higher than its net out-migration rate for natives (22.6 people lost per 1,000 native residents in 1995).

-- California was responsible for most foreign-born migrants to Georgia, with 19,000 making the cross-country move during the five-year period.

-- Nevada had the highest net migration rate of foreign-born migrants from other states, gaining 276 people for every 1,000 foreign-born residents in 1995, while Florida had the largest net migration gain of foreign-born migrants from other states: 89,000.

Some states and counties in the Midwest had net domestic out-migration of natives but net domestic in-migration of the foreign-born population. For example, Nebraska and Kansas had native net out-migration rates of 13.1 and 5.2, but foreign-born net in-migration rates of 101.0 and 47.6, respectively.

The report and supplementary data tables, as well as previously published migration reports, are available on the Internet at http://www.census.gov/population/www/cen2000/migration.html.

Coming to a neighborhood near you soon

51 posted on 09/03/2003 12:59:54 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: ElkGroveDan
It appears as though California is slowly committing suicide. And maybe not so slowly, either. An increasing exodus of productive taxpaying citizens coupled with an increasing influx of non-productive non-taxpaying non-citizens can only end in social chaos and financial ruin.
52 posted on 09/03/2003 1:01:50 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: ElkGroveDan
What`s this 'debating'stuff? The thing passed yesterday. Demonrats..Enemies of the US, that`s all they are. I keep getting s**t everytime I say that, but here again is more proof. Hey, why not throw in a condo on Park ave as well? Coulter may call them traitors but let`s not "beat around the Bush" and really show them for what they are OK? From Sen teddys "muslim exchange program" to their bitching and complaining from day one over 911. Hey, only more people than Pearl harbor died on 911, but let the inspections continue. Let`s give the terrorists more time to plan the next attack and while your at it lets protest the patriot act so they can do it in secrecy. Like Coulter says, it`s time the Demonrats went the way of the Whigs. Let`s not only give Mohammed his privacy to plan, lets give him a license as well so he can drive around for more mobility, but forget about kicking his ass out.
53 posted on 09/03/2003 1:03:39 PM PDT by scabbage
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To: smiley
Here's a silly.....maybe not so silly solution....split California into Northern California and Southern California....equal representation from both states since it's so hugh that a single politician can't possibly become known only if he/she is a celebrity.....


Instead of splitting CA (so that the former CA would effectively get two more Senators, and also two more electoral votes), why not change CA's electoral vote system to some form of proportional representation?

In 2000, Assemblyman Tony Strickland (R-37) proposed letting each Congressional district have one electoral vote. The two other votes would go to the winner of the popular vote across CA. I liked his proposal, especially because CA's Congressional representation keeps increasing, but I never heard about his proposal again.

In the extreme, if CA had a little over half of the US population, Presidential elections would no longer need to be conducted in the other 49 states if CA doesn't change its distribution of electoral votes. Because different areas of CA are so different, with each county almost like a mini-state, Strickland's proposal seemed like a great idea.

54 posted on 09/03/2003 1:04:02 PM PDT by heleny
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To: scabbage
What`s this 'debating'stuff? The thing passed yesterday.

It passed the Assembly yesterday. The state Senate is debating it, although the majority democrats are unlikely to change their minds.

55 posted on 09/03/2003 1:05:47 PM PDT by heleny
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To: heleny; All
I hate to sound stupid, but I never heard of "The California Channel" before. Is this a cable station that can also be accessed on the Internet? And is this being debated right at this very moment?

Anyone watching and/or listening? What's going on?

56 posted on 09/03/2003 1:14:29 PM PDT by truthkeeper ( be)
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To: smiley
No, that's not silly. For years up in extreme Northern California and Southern Oregon there has been a movement to secede from both states and create a new one. It will be called The State of Jefferson. I really wish it would happen.
57 posted on 09/03/2003 1:18:08 PM PDT by vikingcelt
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To: scabbage
What`s this 'debating'stuff? The thing passed yesterday

Well in this case the debating involves Republican Senators arguing AGAINST the bill and Democrat Senators arguing FOR it.

The bill passed the Assembly yesterday, but legislation must pass both houses of the legislature and then be signed by the governor before it can become law.

58 posted on 09/03/2003 1:34:16 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (It's time for Arnold to stop splitting the Republican vote and step aside for the good of the party)
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To: hapy
Mexico already has California. They're just going through the handover formalities now. (And pretty soon Mexico will have North Carolina, as well!)
Thank you W.
59 posted on 09/03/2003 1:52:47 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: heleny
Never going to happen, because that automatically takes 20+ electoral votes out of the Democrats' total every election.
60 posted on 09/03/2003 1:53:03 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (TOM McCLINTOCK is my choice for governor. He should be yours too.)
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