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President's Statement on Miguel Estrada
The WHITE HOUSE ^ | September 4, 2003 | PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH

Posted on 09/04/2003 2:12:17 PM PDT by PhiKapMom

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
September 4, 2003

President's Statement on Miguel Estrada

Statement by the President

It is with regret that, at the request of Miguel Estrada, I have today withdrawn his nomination to the United States Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit. I understand and respect his decision, and wish Mr. Estrada and his family the best.

Mr. Estrada received disgraceful treatment at the hands of 45 United States Senators during the more than two years his nomination was pending. Despite his superb qualifications and the wide bipartisan support for his nomination, these Democrat Senators repeatedly blocked an up-or-down vote that would have led to Mr. Estrada's confirmation. The treatment of this fine man is an unfortunate chapter in the Senate's history.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: bush43; dems; estrada; gopnocojones; judicialnominees; miguelestrada; obstructionists; transcript
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To: PhiKapMom
We could have gone nuclear. If we accept your premise, they chose not to go nuclear because they want the option of doing the same thing the Democrats did; filibuster judicial nominations and not allow an up or down vote. That sort of takes the wind out of their contention that the Democrats did something wrong procedurally.
81 posted on 09/05/2003 7:18:33 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: PhiKapMom
Since you are in the mood to comment, are you willing to address my previous question to you? Summarized, you said that the rule that permits filibustering a judical appointment should not be changed. That implies you think it is an okay rule. If you think it is an okay rule, then how do you justify being irked because the DEMs used a just rule?

I opined that I think the rule needs to be changed, because its application in a judicial confirmation context disrupts the balance between the Senate and the President.

82 posted on 09/05/2003 7:20:37 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: kayak; BibChr
I thought of Daschle's sadness when I read Estrada's comments and then the image of Hillary tossing a lamp across the room crossed my mind! Here are his comments:

"I profoundly hope that, at some time in the future, I may be called again to serve my country in some capacity" (Estrada's comments)

The moment I read that the word "SCOTUS" flashed in big neon lights!

When I read the article with comments, the thought occurred to me that they tossed in the towel on this battle in order to win the war at a later date! This President doesn't take losing very well, and in the end, the DemocRATs will pay. He has been like that since he was Governor of Texas, actually running for Governor of Texas -- he never forgets who crosses him or his Family.

83 posted on 09/05/2003 7:22:01 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (Alpha Omnicon Pi Mom too!)
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To: ImphClinton
You are absolutely right about the "deal" with Boeing. The current management of the Air Force was not happy with the deal and the cost! Better ways to spend $18 billion is right! The lady in charge of negotiation was promoted under Clinton!
84 posted on 09/05/2003 7:23:49 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (Alpha Omnicon Pi Mom too!)
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To: Coop
IMHO, can't blame this all on the Rats - this failure should not have been allowed. A filabuster, where? Support, where?

Yes, the Rats won. Yes, they were allowed to drive the car.
85 posted on 09/05/2003 7:52:12 AM PDT by AMNZ
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To: PhiKapMom
"This morning in the Daily Oklahoman they had a quote from Estrada that he would be willing to accept another judicial nomination to serve his Country.
How about SCOTUS?"


Sounds about right to me!! I'm so glad he's receptive to another judicial nomination!
86 posted on 09/05/2003 9:54:55 AM PDT by windchime
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To: ImphClinton
"You obviously are not well read up on the Boeing deal. The lease cost 21 Billion for a fixed term. Buying them cost 15 Billion and maintance was to be paid for by the Air Force reguardless.

The only advantage the 767 had was 20% greater capacity. Large Airplanes can last far longer than cars. Most comercial Aircraft are at least 20 years old. These old tankers are still in great shape and with 3 Billion of upgrades would have the same insturmentation as new planes. Smaller planes also have advantages in some situations. More planes can be refulled at once."

Not so fast, my friend........not so fast. I have read a tad about it, yes. I know about old airplanes, their life span, and about tankers (I have 1800 hours in the KC-135; my flying days ended in '84). Your assumption that there are "advantages" to smaller tankers since somehow you feel that they can "refuel more planes" at once is simply wrong. Not even close, actually. Bigger planes = more ability to haul JP4 = more aircraft can be refueled. It really is that simple.

The current tanker fleet is being used WELL beyond their projected lifespans. Hell, they were old when I flew them in the late '70's and early '80's. We keep patching them, and we keep flying them, but it's dangerous as hell. These airplanes are old and tired, and they've been overutilized over the past decade to an astonishing extent (two Gulf Wars, Bosnia, etc.).

Your comparison of $15 billion to buy vs. $21 billion to lease......... I don't believe. Also, the cost of buying aircraft has little to do with the initial purchase price. You cannot hand-wave away the costs for maintenance, spares, etc. You just may find that the lease arrangement includes such items; the purchase price probably doesn't.

Again.......you tell me who is better qualified to provide late-generation tankers to the USAF than Boeing.

87 posted on 09/05/2003 12:56:14 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: PhiKapMom
Besides Estrada's Christianity, (read pro-life) they obstructionist democrats feared that this federal bench appointment would put Estrada on the road to SCOTUS.

From what I hear, their insidious hi-jacking of their Constitutional powers has now almost assurred that GWB will nominate Estrada to the SCOTUS!
88 posted on 09/05/2003 4:07:58 PM PDT by onyx
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the heat appears OFF for this issue >ping<
89 posted on 09/05/2003 5:10:13 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: RightOnline
As I stated the Air Force will pay the maintence cost period. The lease cost an extra 6 billion.

The overhauls at 3 billion is far more than a patch job. The KC135's would be updated and upgraded throughout.

I agree pilots would love to fly 767's they could then get civilian jobs much eaiser. They might also be eaiser to fly and would deffinately have more creature comforts. But the cost is way to high.

I see little advantage of 20% greater carrying capacity. It is simply not worth the cost. In fact six KC135's could refuel more fighters at once than five 767's. The KC135's have a great track record and are still very air worthy.

The only real advantage the 767 would have is they might be faster so the planes they refuel would not have to slow down as much.

18 Billion could go a long way in upgrading other equipment and replacing equipment that really needs to be replaced.
90 posted on 09/07/2003 11:21:09 AM PDT by ImphClinton
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To: ImphClinton
Go log the hours, then come talk to me.
91 posted on 09/07/2003 3:55:47 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: RightOnline
Typically arogant Pilots response.

Fact is the Air Force did not ask for new tankers. They really have the hours.
92 posted on 09/08/2003 3:55:11 AM PDT by ImphClinton
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To: ImphClinton
Nothing arrogant about my response whatsoever. You took a stance based upon your point of view. I took a stance based upon mine.........only mine is based upon real world experience as a tanker aircraft commander in the Strategic Air Command, flying aircraft that were old as hell even then. I think my point of view is, therefore, perfectly valid.
93 posted on 09/08/2003 7:12:51 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: RightOnline
You don't see any way these aircraft could be upgraded.

Seems to me that for three billion they could have new more efficient more powerful engins, avionics, insturmentation fly by wire etc. Really bring them up to 21st century standards. If I remember right the KC135 has eight engins.

Heck the 767 was designed back in the sixties. We just have little to add to the great planes designed for WW2. Especially for a tanker that will always fly slow due to the large cargo.
94 posted on 09/09/2003 5:20:41 AM PDT by ImphClinton
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To: ImphClinton
I ask that you PLEASE don't take offense at my response, for I truly don't mean it that way.........but you need to bone up on your aircraft knowledge quite a bit.

"You don't see any way these aircraft could be upgraded."

They have been. Constantly. For decades.

"Seems to me that for three billion they could have new more efficient more powerful engins, avionics, insturmentation fly by wire etc. Really bring them up to 21st century standards."

They got new engines some years ago (when I flew them, we had the old "water wagons".........J57's, if memory serves; water injection on heavyweight takeoffs. Dangerous as hell.) They now have far better engines than my day. Avionics, the fuel panel, etc......all upgraded. As far as fly by wire, etc...........after a while, you really just have to look hard at how long you can ride a horse. These aircraft are rugged as hell, but they DO have a finite lifespan. You must realize that you're talking about aircraft that were built.......not designed.......in the late '50's and very early '60's. The airframes themselves are just damned old.

"If I remember right the KC135 has eight engins."

No, it has four. You're thinking of the B-52.

"Heck the 767 was designed back in the sixties."

Initial models were ordered in the very late '70's.

"We just have little to add to the great planes designed for WW2. Especially for a tanker that will always fly slow due to the large cargo."

The KC97 came out after WW2. The KC-135 replaced it, again, based roughly on what became the 707 airframe. The differences among today's aircraft and WW2 aircraft are...................well, it's night and day. Not even close. As for slow, even in my old KC-135, we could scoot along pretty fast. Even had to drop flaps and fly LOW so that A-10's could even keep up with us. Modern, swept-wing heavies can flat get it. It isn't unusual to refuel at well over 320 knots (nautical miles per hour).

This is about obsolescence and fuel load delivery, period. Aircraft DO get old, metal DOES fatigue and develop cracks over time. The KC-135's should long since have been retired. The KC-10's have been decent; just don't have enough of them........and even those are getting long in the tooth.

If we expect our Air Force to maintain the worldwide missions that have been laid on them over the last decade +, we need to equip them with the best. They are not flying the best, and prudence dictates that throwing more money into aging gear isn't always the best nor even most cost effective option.

95 posted on 09/09/2003 7:04:01 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: RightOnline
You may be right on every point.

My main point is those who know the best is the Air Force. The Air Force did not request new tankers. There have been very few accidents involving the KC135. The air frames as you suggest are getting old.

But the Air Force is in the best position to know when the pnlanes actually need to be replaced. They say there is no need now. I believe them.

This lease fiasco is simply a lobbist gone amok deal. First of all Boeing is ripping off the Government for $6 Billion over the cost of the aircraft. Secondly Boeing can not sell it's 767's right now so should discount the price. Instead they are ripping of the taxpayers. I say offer Boeing 12 Billion for the tankers take it or leave it.
96 posted on 09/09/2003 10:26:56 AM PDT by ImphClinton
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http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:S.Res.138: <-- Link

S.RES.138
Title: A resolution to amend rule XXII of the Standing Rules of the Senate relating to the consideration of nominations requiring the advice and consent of the Senate.
Sponsor: Sen Frist, Bill [TN] (introduced 5/9/2003) Cosponsors: 11
Latest Major Action: 6/26/2003 Senate preparation for floor. Status: Placed on Senate
Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 180.

97 posted on 09/11/2003 12:11:50 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: PhiKapMom
good post on #1

Lessons of the Estrada Defeat
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/976173/posts
98 posted on 09/24/2003 2:46:06 PM PDT by votelife (Free Bill Pryor)
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