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The Executioner’s Hill--The pro-abortion movement has a dirty little secret
| Steve Kellmeyer
Posted on 09/06/2003 7:25:14 PM PDT by Polycarp
"The pro-abortion movement has a dirty little secret. More abortion opponents have been seriously injured and killed in the last thirty years than have abortion supporters...the NAF reports 125 incidents of less serious physical injury against abortionists. The NAF does not bother to mention that abortion-rights supporters committed 1001 similar incidents of less serious physical injury against pro-lifers during the same time period.
||Paul Hill is dead. Like many newborns in China, the former Presbyterian minister who gunned down an abortionist and his bodyguard was killed by lethal injection. The are differences, of course. Paul Hill is a murderer. The Chinese newborns arent.
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"In addition, thousands of fathers of babies aborted by underage girls go scot-free every year even though they have committed statutory rape, and in most of those cases coerced the underage women into having abortions to literally bury the evidence."
...which justifies the murder of unborn babies or what?
posted on 09/06/2003 9:57:05 PM PDT
("....by their fruit you will know them.")
I believe the choice is still with the mother.
I alomost agree with this after all I can't get pregnant nor can I have an abortion so why don't you girls get together sort this out amongst yourselfs? Then again If wemen can chose to end a human life simply because it inconviences them to carry it to term why can't I "abort" all the people that inconvience me? I mean fairs fair isn't it?
posted on 09/06/2003 9:57:34 PM PDT
(Peace sells but who's buying?)
I'm assuming that was sarcasm?
The mother must bear a large portion of the blame, but the pressure to abort from parents, boyfriends, and other so-called friends must be nearly overwhelming. What does a scared 15 year-old do if her parents threaten to disown her, or her boyfriend threatens violence, or her so-called friends tell her en masse that she's an idiot for going through with her pregnancy (and she isn't lucky enough to have called a true crisis pregnancy center first instead of an abortion factory)?
I like the cannibalism concept as a TRUE explanation of what embryonic stem cell use accomplishes-a very useful analogy. Actually not an analogy, a fact. The only difference is that traditional cannibals consume others with their mouths, while the "beneficiaries" of embryo research consume them in other ways.
I pray that God has seen fit to make sure that embryonic stem cells accomplish nothing medically beneficial (I don't think it's been proven yet that they do). I'm afraid that this is the only thing preventing mankind from going over the cliff into the cannibalism you so accurately describe.
The pro-aborts are SO determined to find a benefit in embryonic stem cells that they minimize the importance of the breakthroughs that I believe are being achieved with adult stem cells and trumpet even the tiniest hint that the embryonic ones will have a benefit.
Depends upon the state. CDC in Atlanta keeps some stats but reporting to them is voluntary. NY, CA, and FL for example don't report to CDC but have huge numbers of abortions.
Well then, if pro-lifers wanted to reduce abortion rates, they should reduce the penalty of statutory rape such that those who do it aren't driven to kill their offspring to hide the crime and thereby escape the penalty.
And we should take away the three felony strikes rule too because it makes robbers murder people because they've haven't got anything to lose by killing their victims, and everything to lose if there's any witnesses.
I don't think I'm on this ping list - but I'd like to be, please.
To: litany_of_lies; MHGinTN
I like the cannibalism concept as a TRUE explanation of what embryonic stem cell use accomplishes-a very useful analogy.
From what I've read (and thank you, MHGinTN, for your wonderful essays and comments about all these related topics!), embryonic stem cells haven't been "useful" anyway. Apparently (someone correct me if I'm wrong) some kind of cells from bone marrow? Or at least from adults, taken harmlessly, show more promise medically.
Two points may shed a small amount of light on this.
1. Those who abhor moral absolutes are by definition placing themselves and others like them on the pinnacle of authority, due to envy of God. Therefore, they reject out of spite and hatred His laws, both the laws of nature - life and death - and moral laws, such as equating same sex acts with the conjugal relationship between a husband and wife. Such rebellious souls, since they cannot create life (only God can) want to destroy His creation. You can see how they are attracted to death: abortion, euthanasia, the "right to die", Peter Singer's statement that infanticide has its virtues, and last but not least, sodomy.
2. A corollary is their fanatic attachment to the artificial or unnatural life of the body. Even if embryonic cannibalism COULD extend or improve my physical being, I would reject it with not a second's hesitation, because I know without doubt that life is not physically based. I am not a body with a soul, I am a soul waering a body. Death means I, the eternal soul, leave the body. I am therefore not afraid of death. Death is not a tragedy. Living a life of rebellion against the laws of Nature and Nature's God is a tragedy.
posted on 09/07/2003 1:16:40 AM PDT
Do you mean source for the stat on the age of fathers of teenagers pregnant out of wedlock? I've read it in various places. I know that Cal Thomas the columnist has cited stats on this in the past. If I remember correctly the average age difference between the older man and underage girl was about 8 years.
Or do you mean the statury rape claim? It follows from the answer to the first question, but also just within the past year a "survey" was done of abortion clinics by a pro-life organization (in Texas, I think). They had an underage girl pose as somone needing an abortion, and were seldom, if ever, even asked about the age of the father, even though in most states health workers are required to do so (and I believe also required to report statutory rape). As usual, stone silence from the mainstream press.
You and I would reject embryo killing if even if there were scientific and health benefits. Most of the rest of the world, or at least most of the power elites, would not, which is why I pray the benefits aren't there. They get "hard cases" like Christopher Reeve to pull on your heart as he advocates embryonic cannibalism and at the same time attacks our president for trying to halt this practice. If there are ever proven benefits from this cannibalism, I fear that the pro-life movement won't be able to stop it.
The benefits from use of adult stem cells are coming so fast I can't keep up with them any more. I hope someone in the pro-life community is chronicling the benefits as they accumulate.
I was refering to the statutory rape claim. "Average" age difference does not support your contention that one follows the other.
posted on 09/07/2003 3:14:46 AM PDT
also mandatory reporting from the clinics to the authorities before the abortion of evidence takes place would be appropriate, however, unlikely since parents of the child with child are not even notified...
posted on 09/07/2003 4:59:28 AM PDT
(girls need better education on saying no... make that the right choice, keep it zipped)
thousands of fathers of babies aborted by underage girls go scot-free every year ... they have committed statutory rape, and in most of those cases coerced the underage women into having abortions to literally bury the evidence.
Boyfriends coerce their girlfriends into getting abortions
the pressure to abort from parents, boyfriends, and other so-called friends must be nearly overwhelming.
What does a scared 15 year-old do if her parents threaten to disown her
her boyfriend threatens violence
so-called friends tell her en masse that she's an idiot for going through with her pregnancy
The mother must bear a large portion of the blame
What portion of the blame would you assign to the mothers expressed as a percentage?
posted on 09/07/2003 6:59:34 AM PDT
What portion of the blame does the underage girl get?
Oh come on, you know that depends on the circumstances: degree of coerciion, threats, intimidation, abuse, etc. I'm not going to play a percentage game, except to say that everyone involved is 100 responsible for their part in a horrible decision.
Also, the girl gets to carry around the guilt for the rest of her life for permitting or acquiescing to the abortion. More than likely, the other parties involved just blow it off.
"Average" age difference does not support your contention that one (statutory rape) follows the other.
I wasn't crystal clear. The average age difference I have read about is between the underage women having the abortions and their partners (women above the age of consent are excluded from the stat). Therefore, with such a large age difference, there's clearly a lot of unreported and therefore unprosecuted statutory rape going on.
Oh come on, you know that depends on the circumstances
Yes I do, but I think it's appropriate to point out your projecting like a Cineplex.
86% of your criticism is directed at males. 14% to a rather anemic admission that 'mother' does indeed bear some responsibility.
Just another fine example of the only difference between pro-life women and pro-choice women being their opinion of abortion.
posted on 09/07/2003 3:00:18 PM PDT
You certainly misread me.
The girl is committing a serious sin in almost all cases (except a credible threat of "I'll kill you and the baby if you don't" that the authorities are ignoring).
86% of the criticism wasn't directed at males, unless the pregnant girl has two fathers and all her other friends are male. (/sarcasm)
And I don't even begin to understand your final sentence.
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