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RIAA settles with 12-year old girl [$2,000 payment to music cartel]
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| September 9, 2003
| John Borland
Posted on 09/09/2003 5:26:30 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: greasepaint
RIAA = Democrats
Don't help the Democrats.
Don't buy CDs. Even better: Do all the illegal downloading and sharing you can and send the Democrats' support system to the bottom.
To: jocon307
The settlement should be $.08 per song shared. That is the Congressionally-mandated mechanical license rate due to the song writers.
To: Nathaniel Fischer
"...you're basing your judgment on need for the money rather than an objective standard of justice."So to you an "objective standard of justice" is imposing a $2,000 fine on a 12 year-old girl living in the projects to send out a message that Madonna will not stand for kids listening to her music without paying for it?
That "objective standard of justice" argument would go down a little easier if they prosecuted EVERYONE who broke the law.
But they will not, so instead they prosecute and accept money from someone who obviously can't afford to pay for a lawyer, and most likely not even for a few CD's.
Tell the RIAA to shove their justice in the same place where Stevie Nicks used to shove her cocaine after the bridge of her nose collapsed from way too many lines.
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posted on
09/09/2003 9:23:39 PM PDT
by
Luis Gonzalez
("As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide." - Abraham Lincoln)
To: BlazingArizona
Either the "sue the customer" mentality must end, or the industry will find it has no more customers. What's wrong with suing a "customer" who steals from you?
"Oh no Mr. Store Manager, don't have that shoplifter with the 10 canned hams under his jacket arrested! He bought a pack of chewing gum at the register on his way out!"
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posted on
09/09/2003 9:30:03 PM PDT
by
strela
(It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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To: Nathaniel Fischer
That sounds like moral relativism to me. You're saying it's all right to steal from companies if we don't like their business practices. I know that is reasonable to oppose them for their support of Democrats, but if that is your intent, you should boycott their products, rather than stealing them. A boycott would be an ethically viable approach if all you were concerned about was the product they produce, or their business practices in selling that product. But these are the people whose political donations saddled us with the DMCA, the infinite extension of copyright beyond the lifetime of the artist, and screwing children out of their life savings - in other words, they have warped the political system we all have to live under to suit themselves.
I say we take the gloves off. Steal, steal, steal from them, screw them blind, drive them out of business NOW.
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To: oceanview
DSS will be using HDCP to encode premium programming once the whole HDTV thing gels. So you might be able to make a low grade analog tape of it, but digitally "recording" HDTV will not be possible if the sender decides to encode it. Its going to take many years to phase in, along with other parts of digital rights management from Microsoft and all the rest. And long before that, the hackers will have coded their way around the DRM and will be merrily copying away.
To: BlazingArizona
It's things like this that made me decide a long time ago that I'd rather do without TV altogether than "upgrade" (if that's what you call upgrading). Of course, that's pretty easy with the dumbed-down garbage that passes for most TV these days...the Internet is far more interesting.
To: Nathaniel Fischer
A boycott would drive them out of business as effectively as stealing their music online would, and no crime would be committed. A boycott designed to "drive them out of business" probably would be illegal. But a boycott designed to dismantle the cartel may be legal.
There is a boycottRIAA.com web site.
But I think the draconian penalty attached to this crime is totally unreasonable, and getting the law reformed is more important than a doing a boycott.
And I think the artist whose work is allegedly infringed should be named as a plantiff in any lawsuits. Then we will see headlines like "Madonna Sues 12-Year-Old Girl for $15,000,000"
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posted on
09/09/2003 9:49:39 PM PDT
by
HAL9000
To: AndyJackson
You can try to spin it whatever way you want. The fact is that the RIAA sued a 12 year old and created a public relations nightmare for themselves.You can choose to ignore the fact that the RIAA cannot sue a 12 year old any more than 12 year old can open an internet account, but you'll still be wrong.
To: I still care
Rodentus Corporatus. Vile vermin using their teeth in furtherance of their grasping agenda. Lotta people watching their nastiness.
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posted on
09/09/2003 10:07:34 PM PDT
by
185JHP
( "All not actually on watch, lay to your racks...")
To: Nathaniel Fischer
"Remember, justice is supposed to be blind."It's not supposed to be selective, nor is it supposed to be used to "send out a message".
The first message that the RIAA sent out is that they are heartless profiteers.
They've lost much more than $2,000 with me. I'm never purchasing another CD with the RIAA stamp on it.
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posted on
09/09/2003 10:26:29 PM PDT
by
Luis Gonzalez
("As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide." - Abraham Lincoln)
To: teech; Jack Wilson
I agree. If some 12 year old kid from the projects was caught stuffing CDs from Walmart in his jacket, he'd be the poster boy for tough on crime politicians. What's the difference?
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posted on
09/10/2003 4:32:53 AM PDT
by
tdadams
To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Your suggested amount seems reasonable, at least at first glance.
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posted on
09/10/2003 4:37:33 AM PDT
by
jocon307
(Boy, even I am surprised at myself!)
To: Rebelbase
Golly gee, the public univerity systems are about to sued into bancruptcy............./sarcsam The colleges have a simple solution. Someone should set up a wireless LAN (student). Charge people $5 to be able to access the LAN (to cover the cost of the HUB). Everyone on the LAN shares their music folders. You could even connect different dorms together. Much easier and faster than P2P. I wish that was available when I went to college. :)
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posted on
09/10/2003 4:45:27 AM PDT
by
Snowy
(My golden retriever can lick your honor student)
To: FreedomCalls
You are correct that I posted that other article. If you continue your search in freeperland, you will see that I have admitted the error of my ways and attributed it to carelessness on my part. I also confess to downloading music in the past but after giving it a lot of thought (and reading arguments against it) I came to my present position against it.
To: Timesink
There's already an easy way around the problem for P2P users. A 2-minute Google search will bring up at least a half-dozen websites that track working "dummy" ISPs, used by dozens of people at a time and completely anonymous. Change your computer's static IP, and voila! No RIAA lawsuit. These guys are going after schoolkids and grandmothers because they are easy targets. All they're going to do in the long run is make more and more aware of how not to be an easy target.
To: jayef
Crappy product is killing the music industryActually, my taste runs to oldies compilations and the product on CD has never been better. In the old days, a typical greatest hits compilation had 11 songs if you were lucky. Now you often get 20, up to 30 songs, digitally remastered, extensive liner notes (booklet). I do buy a few current items as well. I bought Rod Stewart's current album, has close to an hour of music. Adjusted for inflation, quality,factor in the durability factor and the CD is a better value than the old vinyl LP.
To: El Conservador
It's good to see you are willing to pay $25 for a CD, which costs $0.02 to make, and the artist will see only $0.10 from that $25. Please do yourself a favor and know what you're talking about before you post.
A CD does not cost $25 and the artist will make a lot more than 10 cents per CD. Ignorance.
And before you ask, yes, I do work in the music business.
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posted on
09/10/2003 5:07:14 AM PDT
by
tdadams
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