Ex-boot camp officer ordered to scrub toilets

Houston Chronicle ^ | September 10, 2003 | RON NISSIMOV

[Ex-Dem]

Sending criminals to boot camp to "physically train" them. What's wrong with this picture. Are they getting military-style disciplining to instill some respect while they're at it? Or are we just training them to be harder for the cops to chase down and apprehend?

[Dog Gone]

Boot camp in Texas is for older teenagers and very young legal adults who have never had any family discipline. The purpose is to instill a little fear and a lot of respect for authority.

[Super Mak90kid]

I had a friend some time ago who went to such a camp to avoid time. He came back a way better person. He seems to have more respect for other people and has become dedicated to working out at the gym. For non-violent offenders I anyway, I think the bootcamps are a step in the right direction.

[Super Mak90kid]

"Vera picked up a 5-foot probationer who weighed 100 pounds, "slammed him into a wall, kicked him, stuck his head in the toilet and flushed it."

Sadly he would probably fit right in as far as the police force goes these days.

[Xenalyte]

Wow. I had no idea that administering a swirlie carried such a hefty penalty.

[battlegearboat]

I scrubbed toilets at boot camp in San Diego NTC. I'm still doing it 35 years later.

This guy needs to be scrubbing one toilet only...the one in his cell.

[Dog Gone]

In my high school, we called them "face jacuzzis". Somehow I never was on either end of one.

[cyborg]

He said Vera picked up a 5-foot probationer who weighed 100 pounds, "slammed him into a wall, kicked him, stuck his head in the toilet and flushed it."

*** :yawn: why should law abiding citizens care? If he behaved, he would not be in there in the first place. I smell a rat, and believe this isn't the whole story.

[Henrietta]

ping

[Henrietta]

"Vera is studying to obtain a peace officer's license, Wisner said, but will now never work as a peace officer in Texas with his conviction."

Thank God.

[steplock]

"He said Vera picked up a 5-foot probationer who weighed 100 pounds, "slammed him into a wall, kicked him, stuck his head in the toilet and flushed it."

Sounds like Boot Camp at MCRD San Diego back in the 60's to me.

What's the beef?

[Henrietta]

"*** :yawn: why should law abiding citizens care? If he behaved, he would not be in there in the first place. I smell a rat, and believe this isn't the whole story."

Why not just let the police do anything that they want; after all, some time in a person's life, he must have done something to deserve it, right?

The part of the story that's likely missing is the part about how this punk has been abusing probationers for years and getting away with it.

[Dog Gone]

It's always a fine line between cops who are thugs, and criminals who have to be physically forced to do something.

Frequently, the twain meet.

[Super Mak90kid]

*** :yawn: why should law abiding citizens care? If he behaved, he would not be in there in the first place. I smell a rat, and believe this isn't the whole story.

Um? do you believe being physically assaulted by a corrupt guard should be part of his sentence? Please keep in mind that only non-violent offenders can go to the boot camps.

By the way, did you know sometimes people get sentenced for crimes they didn't even commit. I sometimes work in a limited role in the legal world and i've seen it happen. Do they deserve this treatment too? That could be you one day. Idiot.

[WackyKat]

:yawn: why should law abiding citizens care? If he behaved, he would not be in there in the first place.

So you approve of torture?

So the Constitution mean nothing to you?

So you think cops and prison guards should be able to brutalize people at will?

So you think everyone in prison is guilty?

So you think people who commit minor crimes and are eligible for boot camp programs are so different than you?

So you think you could never be caught up in the criminal justice system? (Don't bet on it).

Your sentiments are just plain ignorant and vicious.

[cyborg]

I'm not an idiot first of all. Let's get that straight. You don't know me.

Um? do you believe being physically assaulted by a corrupt guard should be part of his sentence?

** I never said that what the guard did was RIGHT. What I did say is that if one doesn't committ crimes then one does not have to worry about getting beat up by corrupt guards.

Please keep in mind that only non-violent offenders can go to the boot camps.

** Then all the talk shows I used to watch are wrong or they have changed the rules. If it is an alternative to prison then I can see where the 'non-violent' part would cone in.

By the way, did you know sometimes people get sentenced for crimes they didn't even commit. I sometimes work in a limited role in the legal world and i've seen it happen. Do they deserve this treatment too?

** If it happens to someone who is innocent, then they can sue. That is a separate issue. I never said it was right. I said that why should I, someone who abides by the law, care about prisoners who get beat up by other prisoners or guards? He had his head flushed in a toilet as if that's the worst that has ever happened to a prisoner. It's bootcamp. I wonder how many Marines had their heads flushed in the head. I didn't see too many people speculating on the civil rights of Rodney King.

[cyborg]

So you think people who commit minor crimes and are eligible for boot camp programs are so different than you?

** I don't committ crimes so yes I do. However, I have responded to another poster and am not going to repeat myself.

[Orangedog]

By the way, did you know sometimes people get sentenced for crimes they didn't even commit. I sometimes work in a limited role in the legal world and i've seen it happen. Do they deserve this treatment too? That could be you one day. Idiot.

Now now. We ALL know that these people did something in his life to deserve this, even if it's one of the 'non-violent offenders. Why, they are probably just some dope smokers anyway! [/sarcasm]

"Department of Corrections?!" This sounds more like it's being run by the numbskulls that were on the wrestling team when I was in high school.

[vpintheak]

I agree with you. Don't start none, won't be none.