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To: longtermmemmory
The declaration that a "stake holder" has a say over private property or government or anything is a result of the sovietization of our way of life. You see, it used to be that citizens or property owners were the people who had the greatest sway over politicians and policy. But by injecting the idea that a "stake holder" can have any say over any government or property issue has stolen the rights of citizenship and property owners away from them and it comes right out of the idea of soviet "councils" who controlled a lot of how people lived their lives in the USSR.

Here is how insidious this is. It used to be only a citizen could petition their government official. Now that stake holders are accepted as having the same authority as a citizen, anyone can petition your local government authorities. For example, when the decisions were made to make Monterey Bay a marine sanctuary, the citizens were not asked if that is what they wanted. However, a large group of stake holders, self appointed totalitarians from out of the area, had complete control of the process through our representative, Sam Farr. So we got the sierra club,people from the United Nations, people from out of state who had designated themselves as stakeholders making decisions about the Monterey Bay without any input from the people who live here!

The idea that stakeholders have a claim to anything takes local constitutional controls away from people and gives it to anyone who constitutionally and traditionally could never lay claim to right or petition an elected official.

One of the worst executive orders clinton ever signed was the EO for environmental justice. He wrote that "stakeholders" could sue a property owner over "environmental" claims. In the past, if a person was harmed by something a property owner did, they had a right to sue. So if a property owner had a factory that was belching toxic waste and it could be proven that a person living next door was harmed by it, they could sue. With the envronmental justice EO, anybody from anywhere could take a look at the smokestack and sue if they didn't like it. Stakeholder lawsuits have completely undermined our property rights. Stakeholders undermine a citizens authority as well,because as I said in the case of the Monterey Bay sanctuary, we have people from other countries, affialted with the United Nations, petitioning our congressman with more authority than his own constitutents.

There are some sites on the internet that talk about the origins of "stakeholders" and how they come from the soviet council system. It is terrifying how subtley our freedoms and rights are being undermined.
129 posted on 09/12/2003 11:12:57 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
I absolutely agree with your post. Another example of the impact of the EO for environmental justice... this one is from CA also (surprise, surprise).

Just north of Santa Barbara along US101, there is a beautiful piece of property that you can see from the highway. The landowner wanted to develop his land and that would have required the cutting of some Live Oak trees. The "citizens" sued because the trees are rare for the area... FOR THE AREA.

As I recall, the citizenry won over the property owner and the trees were spared.

Forget about justice to redress wrong done to you. It is nothing more than a tool now.

146 posted on 09/12/2003 1:02:54 PM PDT by pgyanke (If America isn't a Christian nation... what is?)
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